Saving the World (was online accent quiz)
truespel at HOTMAIL.COM
Mon Dec 4 01:11:56 UTC 2006
I assume Mr. Butters is referring to me below.
>From: RonButters at AOL.COM
>About 20 people have tried to reason with this person in just this way. It
>hopeless. He says things such as "linguists are prejudiced,"
Who would say such a thing? I never said that.
>and he believes
>that there is "right" pronunciation and "wrong" pronunciation--and HE
>has the authority to make such pronouncements.
I believe that English pronunciation should follow as much as possible the
alphabetic principle. So "pen" should be taught properly pronounced "pen"
not "pin" even though the teacher may be in a local area where its
>He is obsessed with the fact
>that the vowels in "cot" and "caught" are merging for some people, and
>that this is simply laziness on their part.
I've said "ah" is easier to say than "awe", and could be a reason for "awe
dropping". No doubt some phonemes are harder to say than others. Anyone
>He is obsessed with spelling
>pronunciations, yet he would apparently alter English spelling to conform
>own way of pronouncing words when the two do not agree. He often simply
>arguments that contradict his pronouncements.
No. Exactly the opposite. I've said spelling is pretty much set in stone,
and pronunciation is variable, thus possibly changeable to comply with the
>He has apparently paid good
>money to publish books that announce his own "sytem"--which he feels will
>long way towards stamping out illiteracy and crime.
I have published books analyzing the English language in a way no others
have done. Truespel Book 4 analyzes 15.4 millioin word instances to show
how our letters work and how our phonemes are spelled in USA English. It
uses truespel, a new pronunciation guide spelling/writing system. I believe
that teaching truespel as a phonetics first system to k-1 learners will help
them learn to read and reduce crime (crime data were provided in a previoius
email). IBM's Writing to Read has shown that a phonetics first system
allows kids to write and read way ahead of pears, and transition to tradspel
is no problem
>I have gone from feeling angry that he clutters up ADS-L with his nonsense
>trying to have compassion for what I take to be a harmless, well-meaning
>fellow who would really like to save at least a small portion of the world.
>telling myself that I am going to follow the example of the really smart
>people on this list and just ignore him.
So if you're ignoring me, why the email above. Better being ignored by you
than misrepresented. I do suggest you follow the lead of the really smart
people. It would help you. But how do you tell?
>In a message dated 12/3/06 3:40:08 PM, spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM writes:
> > What you call mispronunciation is a large part of what makes a dialect a
> > dialect. If you say the speakers of certain dialects are mispronouncing
> > their words, then you are saying that their dialect is wrong.
> > won't say that someone's natural language is wrong just because they
> > pronounce "pen" and "pin" the same. Someone might tell me that my
> > wrong too for extending the length of the "o" in Minnesota, but I don't
> > think it is. It's just different. I personally think we, as linguists,
> > should be just describing the way people speak instead of telling them
> > are wrong and trying to prescribe.
> > Scot LaFaive
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