Nobody's Perfect Dept.

[Tom Zurinskas]

 >  For lurkers, a phoneme is the smallest contrastive notional unit of
sound that may affect meaning in a given language

This is not a good definition.  I've never seen one with "may" in it.  That
also means it "may not" as well.  And if it does both, why mentioin it.
Makes no sense.

You should clarify what "lurker" means.  As I understand it a lurker is one
who is reading emails, but has not commented as yet.  It reflects nothing on
their expertise or intent.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL4+
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>From: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at YAHOO.COM>
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>Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2006 09:42:28 -0800
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>"The smallest significant unit in language" is also misleading. Since
>allophones constitute morphemes,  a "phone" is in a real sense smaller, and
>"significant" too, since you can't have a spoken language without phones.
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>   Prof. Murfin has taught English and criticism at Yale.
>
>   For lurkers, a phoneme is the smallest contrastive notional unit of
>sound that may affect meaning in a given language.
>
>   JL
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>"Arnold M. Zwicky" <zwicky at CSLI.STANFORD.EDU> wrote:
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>On Dec 15, 2006, at 7:13 AM, Larry Horn wrote:
>
> >> >From a professional explication for undergraduates of cultural-
> >> theory terms:
> >>
> >> "Phoneme... A phoneme is the smallest significant unit in
> >> language; thus, both 'a" and 'an' are phonemes, but 'n' is not."
> >>
> >> --Ross C. Murfin, "Glossary of Theoretical and Critical Terms," in
> >> Daniel R. Schwarz, ed. _Joseph Conrad: The Secret Sharer...with
> >> Biographical and Historical Contexts...and Essays from Five
> >> Contemporary critical Perspectives_ (Boston: Bedford Books, 1997),
> >> p. 264.
> >>
> > Well, he got the -eme part right, anyway. Part credit.
>
>not even that. "a" and "an" are morphs, instances of a single
>morpheme. murfin seems to be missing the abstraction in the morpheme
>concept.
>
>ok, to be generous, you can read him as using "morpheme" to mean
>'instance of a morpheme'. so there are two morphemes in "an owl" and
>two in "a bird".
>
>in any case, the examples are not well chosen. the reader has to
>figure out (from their juxtaposition) that the "a" and "an" in
>question are the indefinite article and not any of the other things
>spelled "a" or "an" (many of which are not morphemes). note that the
>use of spelling is problematic. as is the fact that these morphemes
>are also words.
>
>there's plenty of room here for misunderstanding.
>
>arnold
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