Northern Cities /aI/

[Dennis R. Preston]

Paul,

We haven't done Yoopers and Thumbers (Thumbs?) specifically.
Substrates loom especially large in the first as you well know. We
were simply interested that the phonetic conditioning of the classic
Canadian Raising rule didn't apply; not surprising of course.

dInIs

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>Dennis,
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>IIs it your experience that you get more of thiis Raising before
>voiced consonants in the Upper Midwest, where Canadian Raising as
>usually described is strong, or in the rest of the lower peninsula
>of MI, where there's a lot of variability before voiceless
>consonants.  Seems like the first one to me, from observing my
>Yooper and Thumb students.
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>Incidentally, the film "North Country" --set on the Mesabi Range-was
>on TV the other night, and the actors gave plenty of examples of
>this.  How good was their dialect coach? Or were they just
>hyperdialectizing?
>
>Paul
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>From: "Dennis R. Preston" <preston at MSU.EDU>
>Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 7:32 am
>Subject: Re: Northern Cities /aI/
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>>  Alice,
>>
>>  Operating on the theory that others' vowels are often placed in a
>>  peceptual position relative to our own and (and I apologize for
>>  this), knowing your own linguistic background as I do, isn't it
>>  possible that the probably backer and higher onset of your own /ay/
>>  (or those you grew up with, even if you ahve eschewed it) would make
>>  any lower and fronter one sound even more dramatically lower and
>>  fronter?
>>
>>  Just a thought.
>>
>>  Remember too that Canadian Raising in the US borderlands often fails
>>  to observe the voce-voiceless rule of the original, perhaps a related
>>  fact. We have recent local (rural) MI evidence of  this is /ay/
>>  before /r/.
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>  > >I was listening to call-in radio on my way home this evening. A
>  > caller>from Buffalo (oh, you should have heard the vowel in the
>  > first syllable
>  > >of Calgary!) pronounced "time" with an onset that I don't remember
>>  >having noticed before. It was fronted and raised to the extent
>>  that I at
>>  >first thought he'd said "tame", until the context rescued me. Am
>>  I just
>>  >behind the curve noticing this?
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They were invented by a giant, superintelligent slug named Dennis.
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Dennis R. Preston
University Distinguished Professor
Department of English
15-C Morrill Hall
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48824-1036
Phone: (517) 353-4736
Fax: (517) 353-3755
preston at msu.edu

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