Northern Cities /aI/

Dennis R. Preston preston at MSU.EDU
Thu Dec 21 20:48:46 UTC 2006


LH, man of words that he is, has done a great service to the State
with Thumbelino/as. I am, however, still awaiting a reward from the
Governor's office for my designating those from Saginaw as
Saganista/os.

dInIs

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>At 9:03 AM -0500 12/20/06, Dennis R. Preston wrote:
>>Paul,
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>>We haven't done Yoopers and Thumbers (Thumbs?) specifically.
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>I nominate "Thumbelinos/as".  If you live in Bad Axe or Pigeon, you
>wouldn't really object to being called Thumbelinos or Thumbelinas,
>would you?
>
>LH
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>>Substrates loom especially large in the first as you well know. We
>>were simply interested that the phonetic conditioning of the classic
>>Canadian Raising rule didn't apply; not surprising of course.
>>
>>dInIs
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>>>Dennis,
>>>
>>>IIs it your experience that you get more of thiis Raising before
>>>voiced consonants in the Upper Midwest, where Canadian Raising as
>>>usually described is strong, or in the rest of the lower peninsula
>>>of MI, where there's a lot of variability before voiceless
>>>consonants.  Seems like the first one to me, from observing my
>>>Yooper and Thumb students.
>>>
>>>Incidentally, the film "North Country" --set on the Mesabi Range-was
>>>on TV the other night, and the actors gave plenty of examples of
>>>this.  How good was their dialect coach? Or were they just
>>>hyperdialectizing?
>>>
>>>Paul
>>>
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>>>From: "Dennis R. Preston" <preston at MSU.EDU>
>>>Date: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 7:32 am
>>>Subject: Re: Northern Cities /aI/
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>>>>   Alice,
>>>>
>>>>   Operating on the theory that others' vowels are often placed in a
>>>>   peceptual position relative to our own and (and I apologize for
>>>>   this), knowing your own linguistic background as I do, isn't it
>>>>   possible that the probably backer and higher onset of your own /ay/
>>>>   (or those you grew up with, even if you ahve eschewed it) would make
>>>>   any lower and fronter one sound even more dramatically lower and
>>>>   fronter?
>>>>
>>>>   Just a thought.
>>>>
>>>>   Remember too that Canadian Raising in the US borderlands often fails
>>>>   to observe the voce-voiceless rule of the original, perhaps a related
>>>>   fact. We have recent local (rural) MI evidence of  this is /ay/
>>>>   before /r/.
>>>>
>>>>   dInIs
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>>>   > >I was listening to call-in radio on my way home this evening. A
>>>   > caller>from Buffalo (oh, you should have heard the vowel in the
>>>   > first syllable
>>>   > >of Calgary!) pronounced "time" with an onset that I don't remember
>>>>   >having noticed before. It was fronted and raised to the extent
>>>>   that I at
>  >>>  >first thought he'd said "tame", until the context rescued me. Am
>>>>   I just
>>>>   >behind the curve noticing this?
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>>himself in his own true character - that is, as an ignorant man [sic]
>>thinking, actively utilizing his small share of knowledge. Alfred
>>North Whitehead
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>>There are many different religions in this world, but if you look at
>>them carefully, you'll see that they all have one thing in common:
>>They were invented by a giant, superintelligent slug named Dennis.
>>Homer Simpson
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>>Dennis R. Preston
>>University Distinguished Professor
>>Department of English
>>15-C Morrill Hall
>>Michigan State University
>>East Lansing, MI 48824-1036
>>Phone: (517) 353-4736
>>Fax: (517) 353-3755
>>preston at msu.edu
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Dennis R. Preston
University Distinguished Professor
Department of English
15C Morrill Hall
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48824
517-353-4736
preston at msu.edu

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