"Andrea"

[Wilson Gray]

Or in the United States, where the distinction separates my friends
Evangelie "Effie" Flessas, a Harvard librarian and the wife of a
physician, who vacations back home in Greece as much as she can, and
Dmitrios "Jimmy" Chalapatas, a factory worker who can't understand
why, if Greece is so great, his parents brought him to America. So,
why go back? ;-)

Thanks for the explication of the social difference. I read about it
somewhere and then I simply asked people whether CH was lower-class.
They said yes, without elaborating. Needless to say, Jimmy was not one
of the people that I asked.

-Wilson


On 1/6/06, Baboukis, Constance <constance.baboukis at oup.com> wrote:
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> If she's Greek, her name is AndreAna.  Andrea is her American name
> however she pronounces it.  Andrea(s) is a male name in Modern Greek,
> pronounced the same as the Italian name.
>
> CH for TS is a dialectal pronunciation in Greece, heard in outlying
> areas and some villages but not in the cities or on radio and TV
> (except to depict an uneducated rural person).  I suspect that now
> that everyone in Greek villages has electricity and owns radios and
> TVs (and goes to school), colorful pronunciations will be heard only
> in the most remote areas.
>
> Connie Baboukis
> U.S. Dictionaries, Oxford University Press
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> From: Wilson Gray [mailto:hwgray at GMAIL.COM]
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> That could very well be the case. I'm (relatively) familiar only with
> Homeric Greek. The only thing that I know about Modern Greek - I read
> this somewhere and several native-speaker friends and colleagues have
> confirmed it - pronouncing the digraph TS [tau sigma] as English CH -
> [C], i.e. ch as in "cherry" - is a sign of lower-class origin. The
> spelling pronunciation is the "proper" one.
>
> -Wilson
>
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> On 1/5/06, David Bergdahl <einstein at frognet.net> wrote:
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> > A colleague's wife (she's from a Greek family from Salt Lake City,
> UT) named
> > her daughter 'anDREa'--I always thought it was a Greek
> pronunciation.  The
> > girl is in her 30s now.
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