"oral sex" among the Victorians + postil(l)ion
Laurence Horn
laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Wed Jan 11 15:04:28 UTC 2006
>on 1/11/06 10:37 AM, Chris Waigl at cwaigl at FREE.FR wrote:
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>> On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 10:09:46 +0000, neil typed:
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>>> As soon as I posted, I realized I'd hit the 'b' instead of 'the 'n',
>>> resulting in the acte veberien' instead of 'acte venerien'.
>>>
>>> Didn't think it warranted another post to correct what I assumed
>>> would be seen as an obvious typo!
>>
>> I actually spent ten minutes with the dictionaries over the "acte
>> vébérien" ("he can't have meant vénérien, doesn't that refer only to
>> infections?").
>>
>> Chris Waigl
>> who didn't dare to ask
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>The first definition in my SOED for 'venereal' gives:
>
>'Of or pertaining to, associated or connected with sexual desire or
>intercourse.'
>
>Infection only makes its appearance at definition 2. Possibly also the case
>in French dictionaries!
>
It's also worth noting that all erotic terms are flagged with
"[Venery]" in Farmer & Henley. The narrowing by association with VD
only came post-Victorianly in English. The nice thing about "venery"
is that it could also refer to terms specific to hunting; both
veneries come into Middle English from the same ultimate Latin source
along with "win", "venom", "venison", etc. But there isn't a whole
lot of hunting slang in Farmer & Henley.
larry
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