Hawaiianisms; righteous

[Jonathan Lighter]

I don't believe I ever encountered these specific forms in NYC.  If a restaurant, for example, offered the patty on a plate w/o the bun, with side orders of vegetables, the item was called "chopped steak" or "chopped beefsteak."

  Butchers used these terms as well.

  JL

Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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In what part(s) of the country is either "hamburger steak" or "hamburg
steak" used? Just asking for information.

-Wilson Gray


On 1/13/06, Douglas G. Wilson wrote:
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> >In Kihei, I spotted a "hamburg" dish. I suppose that's the same as the
> >Japanese hambaagu, made by cooking a mixture of ground beef, vegetables and
> >sauce.
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> I think the Japanese "hambaagu [suteiki]" is etymologically identical to
> the English (US) "hamburg [steak]", although the typical referent may have
> regional variations. The usual current US form would be "hamburger
> [steak]", I think. The referent would be a lump or patty of ground beef
> with more or less of various fillers (often more fillers in East Asia than
> in US in my very limited experience). As I mentioned in an earlier message
> the term "hamburger steak" has existed (US) alongside the apparently
> synonymous "hamburg steak" since the 1890's, with "hamburger steak"
> predominating only since the 1940's or so. I would suppose that the
> English/Hawaiian "hamburg" is merely a conservative equivalent of
> "hamburger", then, rather than an adoption from Japanese, although given
> that it's in Hawaii one might suppose that this conservative form might be
> stabilized by Japanese tourism. I deny any expertise.
>
> -- Doug Wilson
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