What does Barbecue consist of?

[Joel S. Berson]

Unfortunately, for this 1759 barbecue my source did not state the main dish.

Joel

At 5/26/2006 03:06 PM, you wrote:
>Another early quotation:  1759 September 26, at Portland,
>Maine.  "The Captains of the mast ships made a great barbaque [sic]
>on Hog Island, for a general frolic."  Unfortunately, I did not
>record and don't remember the entree.  I'll check.
>
>Joel
>
>At 5/26/2006 01:35 PM, you wrote:
>>Well, all of the below can be indentified as barbecue.  See OED2 and RHU2.
>>  OED2 says
>>
>>3. A hog, ox, or other animal broiled or roasted whole... (1764)
>>4.a. A large social entertainment, usually in the open air, at which
>>animals are roasted whole, and other provisions liberally applied. (1733)
>>
>>Originally, barbecue (barbacoa) was a framework of sticks (1697)...
>>
>>Barbecue probably has as many varieties as chili.
>>
>>Regards,
>>David
>>
>>barnhart at highlands.com
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>> >I have checked the archives and found lots entries for earliest
>> >attestation and recipes of things with barbecue in the name, but a
>> >conversation was reported to me that illustrated a difference of
>> >opinion as to just what constituted a barbecue. The context is that a
>> >group of us had received an invitation to a barbecue and two students
>> >(both southerners) came to the realization that what they expected to
>> >find at this event (hamburgs and hot dogs) did not constitute a
>> >barbecue for them: to be a barbecue, it has to have large pigs
>> >cooking (this may be an oversimplification, but there was much
>> >discussion later about the reported conversation). Other people who
>> >discussed the report were prepared to include an event where any meat
>> >with barbecue sauce was cooked/served; others were OK with a bbq that
>> >just has hamburgs and hotdogs--which for the participants in the
>> >original conversation is a cook-out). (I found myself today referring
>> >to the event today as a picnic.)
>> >
>> >Is this a regional thing? (No access to DARE at this moment.)
>> >
>> >Barbara
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>> >Barbara Need
>> >UChicago
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