What does Barbecue consist of?

Joel S. Berson Berson at ATT.NET
Fri May 26 19:06:14 UTC 2006

Another early quotation:  1759 September 26, at Portland,
Maine.  "The Captains of the mast ships made a great barbaque [sic]
on Hog Island, for a general frolic."  Unfortunately, I did not
record and don't remember the entree.  I'll check.


At 5/26/2006 01:35 PM, you wrote:
>Well, all of the below can be indentified as barbecue.  See OED2 and RHU2.
>  OED2 says
>3. A hog, ox, or other animal broiled or roasted whole... (1764)
>4.a. A large social entertainment, usually in the open air, at which
>animals are roasted whole, and other provisions liberally applied. (1733)
>Originally, barbecue (barbacoa) was a framework of sticks (1697)...
>Barbecue probably has as many varieties as chili.
>barnhart at highlands.com
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> >Subject:      What does Barbecue consist of?
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> >I have checked the archives and found lots entries for earliest
> >attestation and recipes of things with barbecue in the name, but a
> >conversation was reported to me that illustrated a difference of
> >opinion as to just what constituted a barbecue. The context is that a
> >group of us had received an invitation to a barbecue and two students
> >(both southerners) came to the realization that what they expected to
> >find at this event (hamburgs and hot dogs) did not constitute a
> >barbecue for them: to be a barbecue, it has to have large pigs
> >cooking (this may be an oversimplification, but there was much
> >discussion later about the reported conversation). Other people who
> >discussed the report were prepared to include an event where any meat
> >with barbecue sauce was cooked/served; others were OK with a bbq that
> >just has hamburgs and hotdogs--which for the participants in the
> >original conversation is a cook-out). (I found myself today referring
> >to the event today as a picnic.)
> >
> >Is this a regional thing? (No access to DARE at this moment.)
> >
> >Barbara
> >
> >Barbara Need
> >UChicago
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