~chooldrin

[Beverly Flanigan]

Dan Rather also has the "pin/pen" merger, as in "chimical plants," as does
Al Gore, of course (we've got to get rid of that!); and he flaps the /t/ in
"important," as any good Texan would.  But then, the glottalizing that the
73% rest of us do in that word must also go.

At 11:46 PM 10/18/2006, you wrote:
>there's actually more variation among newscasters than you think.
>How about someone like Bob Schieffer, then?  Watered down, but still
>distinctly Texan.  Dan Rather watered his Houston-area Texan way down
>when he was on his own show.  But I remember his appearances on David
>Letterman where that shone through too.  And he always pronounced
>"spatial" and "special" the same, and was known to say
>"Worshington".  Admittedly, there's a lot more homogeneity than most
>varied speakers would have.
>
>And no, they don't speak Kalamazooan, quite, despite my students'
>opinions.
>
>Paul Johnston
>On Oct 18, 2006, at 9:57 PM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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>>The major dialect of Engish in the world  is general American at
>>73% of
>>native speakers. That's the place to start for a standard.  But I
>>should
>>assume we are talking "American" here in the ADS>
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>>I use m-w.com and American Heritage Talking dictionary for my
>>pronunciation
>>sources.  Quite standard.  I think national media newscasters use
>>quite a
>>standard dialect.
>>
>>Tom Z
>>
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>>>It seems to me that a major problem for the concept of devising a
>>>system of phonetic spelling for English is that of choosing the
>>>dialect to use as its basis. All those speakers who don't have the
>>>chosen dialect as their native speech will have a much *harder* time
>>>trying to learn to read and to spell. They're first going to have to
>>>learn the standard as though it were a foreign language.
>>>
>>>If this sort of thing was easy or even possible, why haven't any of
>>>those countries, such as Germany, that already have a designated
>>>standard dialect of their language tried to go phonetic? What's going
>>>to be done WRT homonyms?
>>>
>>>-Wilson
>>>
>>>On 10/18/06, RonButters at aol.com <RonButters at aol.com> wrote:
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>>>>In a message dated 10/18/06 1:02:13 PM, truespel at HOTMAIL.COM writes:
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>>>>
>>>>>That way we end up with a phonetic language that's
>>>>>easy to learn.
>>>>
>>>>Nah, English was a lot easier for me to learn than Spanish,
>>>>French, or
>>>>Russian.
>>>>
>>>>And then there are the Chinese, who have no "phonetic principle"
>>>>at all,
>>>but
>>>>they learn Chinese and can readily read each others' writing even
>>>though, when
>>>>spoken, the dialects are mutually unintelligible.
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