Dawgs

Thu Oct 26 16:40:46 UTC 2006

Yes, that's close enough--definitely not [dOg] or [dag] (in IPA), which are
the only two variants "allowed" by m-w, apparently.

At 10:56 PM 10/25/2006, you wrote:
>I'm familiar with some Appalachian dialect, having gone to school at E Tenn.
>State.  I've heard dog with the "ou" diphthong as in "out".  Say "doubt" and
>replace "bt" with "g".
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>Tom Z.
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>Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL4+
>See truespel.com and the 4 truespel books at authorhouse.com.
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>>From: Beverly Flanigan <flanigan at OHIO.EDU>
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>>To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>>Subject: Re: Dawgs
>>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:32:07 -0400
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>>I don't see an icon.  But in any case, these two are, as you say, the
>>ah/awe variants (the /a ~ O/ forms, as we say in approximate IPA).  The
>>third variant is the one we've been talking about--the presumed
>>Appalachian/South Midland/"hillbilly" form (if that helps), where you have
>>a low or back vowel (it's variable, I agree) gliding upwards and backwards
>>to form a kind of diphthong.  If you've never heard this, you won't know
>>what we're talking about.  But remember--dictionaries only REPORT what the
>>compilers are familiar with; they don't LEGISLATE!       We linguists try
>>to describe what we really hear, not what we think we ought to hear (or
>>say, or teach).
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>>At 06:24 PM 10/25/2006, you wrote:
>> >m-w.com gives two pronunciations of "dog".  Click icon to hear it.
>> >
>> >Main Entry: 1dog
>> >Pronunciation: 'dog, 'däg
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>> >Again, the awe/ah duplicity. Looks like "awe" is primary.
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>> >Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL4+
>> >See truespel.com and the 4 truespel books at authorhouse.com.
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>> >>From: Beverly Flanigan <flanigan at OHIO.EDU>
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>> >>To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> >>Subject: Re: Dawgs
>> >>Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:24:18 -0400
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>> >>Yes, that's BE, but it's not Appalachian/Inland Southern--for example,
>> >>rural Georgia.  I suggested [daUg] to capture the offglide Matt
>>mentioned,
>> >>but it's not fully accurate either.  We have it in Athens County/SE Ohio
>> >>too, and it's definitely not [dOUg].
>> >>
>> >>Beverly
>> >>
>> >>At 11:30 PM 10/24/2006, you wrote:
>> >> >I vote for Paul's 'the U-glide--like [dOUg]," which strikes me as aa
>> >> >decent representation of the BE pronunciation. Cf., e.g. the original
>> >> >"you Ain't Nothin' But A Houn'-Dog," by "Big Mama" Willa Mae Thornton
>> >> >or "No More Doggin'," by Rosco Gordon.
>> >> >
>> >> >-Wilson
>> >> >
>> >> >On 10/24/06, Paul Johnston <paul.johnston at wmich.edu> wrote:
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>> >> >>The schwa glide?  Or the U-glide--like [dOUg] ?  I know that's an old
>> >> >>Southern form.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Paul Johnston
>> >> >>On Oct 24, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Matthew Gordon wrote:
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>> >> >> > Poster:       Matthew Gordon <gordonmj at MISSOURI.EDU>
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>> >> >> > I thought the "dawg" spelling was meant to represent not just the
>> >> >> > open-o
>> >> >> > pronunciation but the more specifically southern diphthongal form
>> >> >> > with the
>> >> >> > schwa glide.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On 10/24/06 3:34 PM, "Charles Doyle" <cdoyle at UGA.EDU> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> I went to a football game this past weekend, the University of
>> >> >> >> Georgia vs.
>> >> >> >> Mississippi State.  Each university has for its totem the
>> >> >> >> bulldog.  Each
>> >> >> >> university features its team as the "Dawgs"; the University of
>> >> >> >> Georgia (at
>> >> >> >> least) has been doing so for many years.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> It wasn't much of a game, so I had time to wonder about that
>> >> >> >> spelling in a
>> >> >> >> region where "dawg" represents what has been the traditional
>> >> >> >> pronunciation
>> >> >> >> anyway--with that "open o" that dialects of many regions are
>> >> >> >> losing apace.
>> >> >> >> Among (old-fashioned) "Southern" speakers, the "dog"/"dawg"
>> >> >> >> distinction would
>> >> >> >> be simply orthographic (like "come"/"cum"). But what about the
>> >> >> >> semantics?  Is
>> >> >> >> it (or was it when it originated) merely a playful bit of self-
>> >> >> >> conscious
>> >> >> >> eye-dialect?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Or, is the spelling something like a Confederate battle flag to
>>be
>> >> >> >> waved into
>> >> >> >> the face of non-Southerners?  Or perhaps it simply suggests
>> >> >> >> "tradition" for
>> >> >> >> fans of the University of Georgia (I don't know about MSU), whose
>> >> >> >> campus is
>> >> >> >> now prevalently populated by first- and second-generation /dag/-
>> >> >> >> speaking
>> >> >> >> Northern immigrants?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Is it because we lost that war 140 years ago that Southerners
>>have
>> >> >> >> been so
>> >> >> >> absorbed, obsessed with issues of our regional identity?  A mom-
>> >> >> >> and-pop
>> >> >> >> restaurant in a small Georgia town will advertise its "Southern
>> >> >> >> cooking," as
>> >> >> >> if that weren't the default . . . .
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Oh, yes, the Dawgs won the game.  Barely.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> --Charlie
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