more begging of the question.

[Laurence Horn]

At 3:53 PM -0400 4/12/07, Beverly Flanigan wrote:
>And "want" + -ed, also discussed by Murray and Simon.

Right--I was just adding "like" to the examples of "need" and "want"
that Arnold had mentioned (below). Their research showed that "like"
+ PP speakers can also get "need" + PP and "want" + PP constructions,
but not necessarily vice versa.

LH

>
>At 02:11 PM 4/12/2007, you wrote:
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>>>On Apr 12, 2007, at 9:24 AM, John M. Spartz wrote:
>>>
>>>>The -ed for -ing to be the most plausible analysis. Using the -ed
>>>>for the -ing
>>>>present participle is common in some dialect areas--Pennsylvania?
>>>>Even here in
>>>>Indiana, I hear things like "my car needs washed" on a regular basis.
>>>
>>>this is not really "using the -ed *for* the -ing"; they're simply two
>>>different constructions, a standard one with the present participle
>>>and a (much-studied) regionally distributed non-standard one with the
>>>past participle.  we're talking not about the use of the participles
>>>in general, but only in the complement of a few verbs (mostly "need"
>>>and "want")
>>
>>Also "like" in a subrange of the dialect area, as=20
>>discussed in various publications by Beth Simon=20
>>and Tom Murray.  When I tried googling this I=20
>>came up with such memorable cites as:
>>
>>He likes touched too
>>
>>and especially
>>
>>I'm looking for a discrete long-term or=20
>>short-term sexual adventure with a woman that=20
>>likes cuddled, fondled, licked=8A
>>
>>But, as Arnold points out, these are very different from be + Pres. Part.
>>
>>=46urther, with "like", it's clear that the=20
>>correspondence is not always to standard _like_ +=20
>>Ving but sometimes only to _like_ + to be Ved:=20
>>the guy in the former example above doesn't=20
>>necessarily like touching (as agent), nor is the=20
>>desiderata of the latter posting necessarily a=20
>>woman who is fond of fondling or licking in the=20
>>agentive sense, although I suspect those traits=20
>>wouldn't rule her out.
>>
>>LH
>>
>>>, where the subject of the clause is understood as the
>>>object of the verb in the complement.
>>>
>>>arnold
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