"Winningest" -- a proper word?

Mon Apr 23 01:53:25 UTC 2007

Of course. I was just teasing! I shoulld have given you a an emoticon.
Sorry 'bout that.

-Wilson

On 4/21/07, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Just to clarify: I was thinking of the -"ingest" forms when I said "regional."
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> Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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> "Damnedest" is non-standard?! That's the damnedest thing I've ever
> heard! Well, do your damnedest, prescriptivists! :-)
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> -Wilson
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> On 4/21/07, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
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> > The superlative suffix "-est" may be affixed to various, perhaps in theory all, present-participial adjectives, though usually with minor phonetic modification, as "fightin'est," "feudin'est," "dialect-mappin'est," etc.
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> > And various past-participial adjectives, as "damnedest," "cussedest," etc.
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> > My guess is that the practice is regional in origin.
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> > From today's Austin American-Statesman. Any comments?
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> > Q: Is "winningest" a proper word? I hear it often in sports commentary, but=20=
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> > it always strikes me as a bit off. For example: "John Force is the winninges=
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> > drag racer of all time." =20
> > =E2=80=94 Michael D. =20
> > A: I agree. "Winningest" is listed as an informal adjective in a few =20
> > dictionaries, including the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Lan=
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> > but I did not find it in the Oxford English Dictionary. =20
> > The scholars at the University of Texas grammar hot line, 475-8372, said =20
> > "winningest" is not a good word choice. =20
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> > (OED)
> > winning, ppl. a.
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> > 2. Gaining, or resulting in, victory or superiority in a contest or=20
> > competition; victorious. In U.S. colloq. use also in superlative. winning ha=
> > zard: see=20
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> > (http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/crossref?query_type=3Dfulltext&queryword=3Dwi=
> > nningest&first=3D1&max_to_show=3D10&search_spec=3Dfulltext&sort_type=3Dalpha=
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> > id=3DyCgj-suaWSR-3723&control_no=3D50285956&result_place=3D1&xrefword=3Dhaza=
> > rd&ps=3Dn.)=20
> > n. 7b. winning stroke, a stroke that gains a point in a game, or one by=20
> > which the game is won. =20
> > 1592 _SHAKES._ (http://dictionary.oed.com/help/bib/oed2-s2.html#shakes) =20
> > Rom. & Jul. III. ii. 12 Learne me how to loose a winning match. 1609 _HOLL=
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> > (http://dictionary.oed.com/help/bib/oed2-h3.html#holland) Amm. Marcell. 290=
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> > Contemning that Emperour who everie where in civile warre went away on the=20
> > winning hand. 1822 _SCOTT_=20
> > (http://dictionary.oed.com/help/bib/oed2-s.html#scott) Nigel Introd. Epist.=
> > , I am not displeased to find the game a winning one.=20
> > 1855 Poultry Chron. II. 486 Neither should I have given the first place to=
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> > the winning Dorking cock. 1860 L=C3=96WENTHAL Morphy's Games Chess 56 The=20=
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> > winning move. 1884 Marshall's Tennis Cuts 114 In playing against a fine pl=
> > ayer, it=20
> > is imperative to go for a winning-stroke whenever there is a fair opening.=20
> > 1974 State (Columbia, S. Carolina) 5 Mar. 6-A/7 John Bates, coach of=20
> > Maryland-Eastern Shore, at 26-1 the winningest college basketball team in t=
> > he nation.=20
> > 1979 Tucson (Arizona) Citizen 20 Sept. 5D/1 Slota defeated Sarah Cap, the=20
> > winningest active greyhound with 113 career victories. 1985 Dirt Bike Mar.=
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> > 23/2 (Advt.), That's the moment you know what the winningest racers and mos=
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> > satisfied riders know.
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