The Broncks', the borough of my childhood, fades away
Laurence Horn
laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Thu Dec 6 01:52:17 UTC 2007
At 8:40 PM -0500 12/5/07, Joel S. Berson wrote:
>Aren't the vast majority of these "the X" shorthands for "the X
><something>", as in "the Amazon River" or "the Amazon basin"? This
>would apply also to "the Argentine" as "the [former] Argentine colony
>[of Spain]".
>
>Joel
Shades of the Freeway Thread ("the 5", "the 401", etc.)
LH
>
>At 12/5/2007 02:03 PM, Mark Mandel wrote:
>>The place name examples here are all countries. I still think of "the
>>Amazon" as referring to the river and its enormous drainage area, and I
>>can't imagine it anarthrous. Other rivers are typically often "the X", but I
>>can't offhand think of any others whose names are used for their entire
>>basins as well.
>>
>>m a m
>>
>>On Dec 4, 2007 6:23 AM, Geoff Nathan <geoffnathan at wayne.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Doug Harris wrote:
>>> > Among other places long provided the 'the' article, at least in
>>> > British English, include _The Lebanon_, a phrasing that always
>>> > annoyed me when I lived in England and heard newscasters say it,
>>> > on my assumption that the _The Lebanon_ was actually meant to
>>> > mean "the territory of Lebanon". Even if that were the case, I
>>> > still wonder what the Brits did, and perhaps still do, mean in
>>> > referring to _The Zambia_.
>>> > (the other) doug
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I wonder whether the loss of formerly traditional "the" from some
>>> > other place names, such as Ukraine and Yukon (the latter of which
>>> > still gets the article with a certain frequency), might have had any
>>> > subtle influence on this -- perhaps a little nagging idea that "the"
>>> > for a place name is improper. I wouldn't stand behind this
>>> > speculation without lots of further evidence, but such prescriptive
>>> > extensions from abductions aren't unknown, ISTM.
>>> I have a dim memory of a discussion about this on the ADS list earlier.
>>> I don't have time this morning to go through the archives, but maybe
>>> someone else can help.
>>> I'm pretty sure that the arthrous description of place-names became
>>> un-PC about ten to fifteen years ago with the prescriptivist explanation
>>> that the use of the article conjured up the connotation of Colonialism.
>>> I do remember Maggie Thatcher referring to 'The Argentine' during the
>>> Falklands war.
>>>
>>> Geoff
>>>
>>
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