"Inter Faeces..." Quote

[Laurence Horn]

At 2:19 PM -0800 2/4/07, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
>Yeats, moreover, alludes to the idea in "Crazy Jane Talks with the Bishop."
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>   JL

Pretty obliquely, though.  As in

'Fair and foul are near of kin,
And fair needs foul,' I cried.

and in

A woman can be proud and stiff
When on love intent;
But Love has pitched his mansion in
The place of excrement

?

I don't think it was childbirth whose location Crazy Jane had in mind
with her particular geography lesson...

LH
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>Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> wrote:
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>At 4:16 PM -0500 2/4/07, Amy West wrote:
>>If it's in PL, then someone on Medtext-l should be able to sniff it out . . .
>>I can forward the query along if you like. It sounds like it should
>>be from Augustine's Confessions if it really is in Augustine.
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>>---Amy West
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>Well, wherever it comes from, it's nice that after decades of
>intermittent speculation about the possibility of *inter-species*
>reproduction, we're now back to discussing the inter-faeces variety.
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>LH
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>>>Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 12:49:16 -0500
>>>From: Fred Shapiro
>>>Subject: "Inter Faeces..." Quote
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>>>Someone has asked me for the source of the saying "Inter faeces et urinam
>>>nascimur." I see that it is widely attributed to Augustine, but without a
>>>precise source. I would welcome any help on this.
>>>
>>>Fred Shapiro
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>>>Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 13:10:15 -0500
>>>From: Charles Doyle
>>>Subject: Re: "Inter Faeces..." Quote
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>>>Gershon Legman attributed the aphorism to St. Odo of Cluny. For many
>>>years I have quested for its source (even in the electronic Migne
>>>Patrologia), with no success. Maybe I'm not searching with
>>>sufficiant skill or piety.
>>>
>>>It sometimes appears in the form "Inter urinam et faeces nascimur."
>>>
>>>Charlie
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