Help Needed Please

Tue Feb 27 20:59:41 UTC 2007

"It is quite ridiculous to write a diatribe as to why people should not help
out others.
Thank you."

I agree.  Sad really.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL4+
See truespel.com and the 4 truespel books at authorhouse.com.

>From: Jamie Landers <jme1283 at GMAIL.COM>
>Reply-To: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Help Needed Please
>Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:33:09 -0500
>
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>Sender:       American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
>Poster:       Jamie Landers <jme1283 at GMAIL.COM>
>Subject:      Re: Help Needed Please
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>Firstly, I would like to say that I am not trying to utilize anyone as a
>way
>to achieve work.  My group and I have found it difficult to find any
>research on our topic.  My professor advised me to join this list serve in
>hopes that someone out there could point me in the right direction as far
>as
>research.  I was not trying to "fish" for someone to do my project for me
>and am honestly apalled by some people's responses to an undergraduate
>asking for some help.
>My group has lined up an interview with a lawyer, has obtained a court
>transcript where a defendant tries to represent himself, but we are finding
>it difficult to find any sources out there pertaining to our topic.  One
>gentleman provided a list of sources that he thought may be useful and I
>appreciate this greatly!  Thank you.  As to anyone else who feels that I am
>trying to steal your information/research/time, please just do not reply to
>my query.  That is all that I am asking for from anyone.  It is quite
>ridiculous to write a diatribe as to why people should not help out others.
>Thank you.
>
>
>On 2/27/07, Amy West <medievalist at w-sts.com> wrote:
> >
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> > Sender:       American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > Poster:       Amy West <medievalist at W-STS.COM>
> > Subject:      Re: Help Needed Please
> >
> >
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> >
> > Lynne,
> >
> > I'm right with you, and I know that it's the policy on other academic
> > lists that I've been on to not respond to such queries unless there's
> > evidence that the student has really hit a wall in terms of
> > bibliographic searching. I wasn't sure what the ADS-L policy was, so
> > I held my tongue. Certainly, I would not encourage my  Comp. students
> > to post to such an academic list as an early research strategy. I
> > would encourage them to search the archives, sure; if they hit a
> > wall, I'd either forward the query myself or check to see if it was
> > all right with the list managers/owners if they posted. It may be
> > that ADS-L simply has a laissez-faire attitude, letting subscribers
> > decide for themselves to help out such research queries or not.
> >
> > ---Amy West
> >
> > >Date:    Thu, 22 Feb 2007 15:23:32 +0000
> > >From:    Lynne Murphy <m.l.murphy at SUSSEX.AC.UK>
> > >Subject: Re: Help Needed Please
> > >
> > >I have a policy against answering 'fishing' e-mails from undergraduates
> > >like this, so was a little surprised by others' readiness to answer the
> > >query.
> > >
> > >I call it a 'fishing e-mail' because it had no particular specific
> > >question, and it is a means to not do what a student is supposed to do
>in
> > >this situation--use a bibliographic database (and/or the course reading
> > >list) to find previous work on the topic.
> > >
> > >I'm not trying to be a meanie, but answering such messages means that
>we:
> > >
> > >(a) take time away from the students at our own institutions who are
> > >actually paying for us to teach them (and arguably doing or undermining
> > the
> > >work of that student's own instructor),
> > >(b) do the student's basic bibliographic research for them--which
> > >presumably was part of their assignment,
> > >(c) can never be sure that the help given to these students is properly
> > >acknowledged in their work, and thus could be 'colluding' with the
> > student
> > >or allowing ourselves to be plagiarized.
> > >
> > >Now, if the student has  a _specific_ question/request (e.g., 'does
> > anyone
> > >know where claim X has come from' or 'I'm looking for personal
>anecdotes
> > >relating to Y'), that's a different matter and asking a professional
>body
> > >like ours might well be an appropriate way of tackling that.
> > >
> > >I think this issue has come up on the list before (but can't be [BrE]
> > arsed
> > >to look it up in the archives--so perhaps I'm as bad as the UG students
> > I'm
> > >implicitly criticising here!).
> > >
> > >Lynne, the grumpy old instructor
> > >
> > >
> > >Dr M Lynne Murphy
> > >Senior Lecturer and Head of Department
> > >Linguistics and English Language
> > >Arts B135
> > >University of Sussex
> > >Brighton BN1 9QN
> > >
> > >phone: +44-(0)1273-678844
> > >http://separatedbyacommonlanguage.blogspot.com
> >
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