dot-calm
Mark A. Mandel
mamandel at LDC.UPENN.EDU
Tue Jan 2 18:34:31 UTC 2007
[Mark Mandel:]
##It doesn't take a minimal pair to decide that two phones are different
##phonemes.
[Joel Berson:]
#Really? I thought that was the distinction between a phonemic unit and a
#phonetic unit.
Then you'd have to call [h] and [ng] allophones in English, as Y-R Chao
proposed in jest, of a single phoneme he called "heng":
- They're similar in articulation:
- /h/ < OldEng /x/, so you could call it an underlying velar.
- they're both continuants.
- They're in complementary distribution:
- /h/ always syll-initial
- /ng/ always syll-final
(and so, of course, CANNOT provide any minimal pairs).
And you wouldn't want to do that, now would you?
-- Dr. Whom, Consulting Linguist, Grammarian,
Orthoepist, and Philological Busybody
a.k.a. Mark A. Mandel
[This text prepared with Dragon NaturallySpeaking.]
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