"rave" in Variety or earlier? (UNCLASSIFIED)

[Jonathan Lighter]

That song was thirty-six years ago.

  This is now.

  JL

Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM> wrote:
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Here's my theory. Women are brought up to say no. So, with a cave-man
type, a woman can safely say no with the knowledge that the caveman
probably won't stop. So, it's not her fault. I developed this theory
when a girl said to me, after I'd inexperiencedly taken no for an
answer: "Wilson, you're really supposed to TRY!!" However, that was
back in the '50's. Nowadays, a woman can just say yes, so that taking
no for an answer doesn't leave a guy revealed as an unhip lame who
doesn''t know what he's doing. As Carly Simon put it, "*These* are the
'good old days!'"

-Wilson

On 7/9/07, Jonathan Lighter wrote:
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> In college, guys got the most dates if they looked like Heidelberg Man.
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> (The caveman, not the university chancellor.)
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> JL
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> Jesse Sheidlower wrote:
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> On Fri, Jul 06, 2007 at 02:57:41PM -0500, Mullins, Bill AMRDEC wrote:
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> > While searching for pre-1926 uses of "rave", I ran across the following.
> > It's not relevant to your question, but does bear repeating.
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> >
> > July 1 1921 _Variety_ p. 17. col 2.
> > "Her "cute" stuff, with impressions of a soubret, "Rough Neck Tillie,"
> > who craved cave-man love, and a French maid bit composed the first
> > portion of the routine."
> >
> > Is "cave-man love" cited in OED?
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> No, but several of the examples under _cave-man_ make clear
> that such a person was a typical object of romantic interest
> from women.
>
> Jesse Sheidlower
> OED
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