chard
sagehen
sagehen at WESTELCOM.COM
Wed Jul 11 23:58:47 UTC 2007
>At 12:56 PM -0700 7/11/07, Arnold M. Zwicky wrote:
>>On Jul 11, 2007, at 12:07 PM, Wilson Gray wrote:
>>
>>>How does this analysis [for [Sard] -- AMZ] apply WRT such annoying
>>>cases of
>>>Frenchification as "British [raZ]" and "Bei[ZIN]"?
>>
>>all part of the same process: english [C] and [J] replaced by the
>>frenchier [S] and [Z], respectively, in "foreign" words. spanish [C]
>>is a frequent victim of frenchification to [S] (as in the name
>>Chavez, where two of the three consonants and the accent pattern are
>>frenchified away from the expected english counterparts to the
>>spanish originals).
>>
>>
>In the name of the geographical feature marking
>the site of Dodger Stadium in L.A., Chavez
>Ravine, there's also the rhythm factor, hence
>it's always [S@'vEz r@'viyn]. For Cesar Chávez,
>on the other hand, I remember hearing ['CavEz] or
>the semi-Frenchified ['SavEz] after the
>['seyzar]. On the topic of
>hyper-Frenchification, there's also the tendency
>we've discussed periodically of dropping even
>those final (or underlyingly non-final)
>consonants that would be pronounced in French, as
>in "coup de grâce" pronounced as if it were "coup
>de gras" = [kud@'gra].
>
>LH
>
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And don't forget Pinochet (Pee-no-shay).
AM
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