"until" vs "before" or "to"
Beverly Flanigan
flanigan at OHIO.EDU
Thu Jul 19 20:17:23 UTC 2007
No, I meant the watch design was cool--the choice of preposition is neither
cool nor warm to me.
At 03:43 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote:
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>Dern! And I switched from "till," etc. to "of" because I thought that
>the *latter* was cool! "Different strokes," to coin a phrase. :-)
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>-Wilson
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>On 7/19/07, Beverly Flanigan <flanigan at ohio.edu> wrote:
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> > Perhaps he heard "till" in California, thought it was the current American
> > usage (which it increasingly is), and, as we suggested earlier, assumed it
> > was an abbreviation of "until"--hence the (mis)spelling. Too bad, because
> > it IS cool.
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> > At 11:48 PM 7/18/2007, you wrote:
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> > >Poster: James Harbeck <jharbeck at SYMPATICO.CA>
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> > >Just to add a smidge of data, I have a rather cool Frank Gehry watch
> > >(see
> > >http://www.fossil.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=18233&item
> Type=PRODUCT&iMainCat=961&iSubCat=981&iProductID=18233)
> > >that gives the time as, e.g., "8 past 10" or "17 til 11" (right now
> > >it says "14 til midnight"). It presents it in an emulation of Gehry's
> > >handwriting. So it seems that Frank Gehry uses "til." However, though
> > >he's originally from Toronto (moved to California at 18), I'm not
> > >used to hearing "til" here at all -- "to" is the current local word.
> > >(I learned to use "of" when I lived in Boston and stopped just as
> > >readily when I moced back to Canada.)
> > >
> > >James Harbeck.
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