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[David A. Daniel]

If someone else mentioned this and I missed seeing it, then sorry. But... I
have long wondered why we have a Secretary of de-FENSE and a Department of
de-FENSE, but all sports have DEE-fense. I mean, this is universal, right?
At a football game the crowd universally does not yell "de-FENSE, de-FENSE,
de-FENSE", and Rumsfeld universally was not the secretary of DEE-fense. Yes?
No?
DAD





Of course it isn't, Beverly. I regret the error.

-Wilson

On 7/19/07, Beverly Flanigan <flanigan at ohio.edu> wrote:
>
> St. Louis ain't South Midland!  If you ever travel through this SoMid
area,
> you'll hear the first syllable stress pattern regularly, from ordinary
> folk, politicians, and newscasters--and not in mockery.
>
>
> Beverly
>
> At 04:06 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote:
> >
> >I don't know that I've ever consciously heard "DIS-patch," except in
> >mock Southern or Southwestern dialect. The local newspaper in Saint
> >Louis has always been the "Post-dis-PATCH."
> >
> >-Wilson
> >
> >On 7/19/07, Bradley A. Esparza <baesparza at gmail.com> wrote:
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> > >
> > > But, don't you dis-PATCH from DIS-patch?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 7/19/07, Beverly Flanigan <flanigan at ohio.edu> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The fight really isn't worth fighting, Wilson!  Do you fuss about
> > > > UM-brella
> > > > and DIS-patch too, btw?  Perfectly normal South Midland
pronunciations.
> > > >
> > > > At 03:11 PM 7/19/2007, you wrote:
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> > ----------
> > > > >
> > > > >"FOR-midable" is currently being used in the voice-over for an ad
that
> > > > >occasionally runs on local TV. Otherwise, it's been dekkids, ca.
the
> > > > >Vietnam era, since I've heard the word used. As for "exquisite," I
> > > > >hear it all the time on TV, on the radio, and in the wild, and it's
> > > > >always "ex-QUIsite." I fight the good fight and continue to use
> > > > >"EX-quisite," but I'm pretty much alone in that. Even my wife uses
> > > > >"ex-QUIsite."
> > > > >
> > > > >-Wilson
> > > > >
> > > > >On 7/18/07, James Harbeck <jharbeck at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >I say, "Well, you never know." In the '50's, IIRC,
"FOR-midable"
> > > > > > >became "for-MIDable." Now, the word seems to have returned to
> > > > > > >"FOR-midable." OTOH, the shift of "EX-quisite" to "ex-QUIsite,"
> > which
> > > > > > >may have occurred around the same time - memory fails - appears
> > to be
> > > > > > ><sob!> permanent.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Funny. I use "forMIDable" and am used to hearing that; I only
expect
> > > > > > "FORmidable" from Brits. OTOH, I'm quite used to "EXquisite"; I
use
> > > > > > it myself (but not invariably -- however, I don't have a clear
> > > > > > criterion to trot out governing my choice; I suspect it's
related to
> > > > > > which pronunciation I've most recently heard, and perhaps which
> > > > > > general tone or register I'm using) and I think I may hear it
more
> > > > > > often than "exQUISite," though I can't say so with certainty,
since I
> > > > > > don't hear either all that often.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > James Harbeck.
> > > > > >
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> > >
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Dorothy
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