words starting with "ex"

ronbutters at AOL.COM ronbutters at AOL.COM
Fri Jul 27 17:24:51 UTC 2007 

Of course "free" variation may be correlated with style, and of course spelling pronunciations will be what tends to emerge in self-conscious pronunciations. That does not demonstrate that people PREFER eirther one, & it says nothing about the preferences of the "majority"--an undefined concept in your discourse. To substantiate such claims in any scientifically meaningful way one must define the population, sample them rigorously, and measure their responses precisely & nonimpressionistically.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>

Date:         Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:52:50
To:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject:      Re: [ADS-L] words starting with "ex"


I just heard an ad for "expedia.com" in which the talker clearly said
"ixpedia" in the ad at least once, but in the end he said slowly and
deliberately "expedia".  Faced with this free variation, I'd have to go with
"ex", and possibly give "ix" as a secondary as a pronunciation guide.  I
assume m-w.com is shooting for the majority form of pronunciation.  That
would still be "ex" in USA in my estimation.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
See truespel.com - and the 4  truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at
authorhouse.com.





>From: ronbutters at AOL.COM
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>Subject: Re: words starting with "ex"
>Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 12:08:32 +0000
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>"Free variation" means 'some people say one thing one time and another
>thing the next, even in pronouncing the same word'. Using MY ears, I
>conclude that [I] and [E] tend to be in free variation in words beginning
>in "ex-". Reading books can be a good thing: books can tell us what other
>students of language have concluded on the basis of rigorous scientific
>testing in publications that are subject to vigorous peer review. That is
>the way that science works: scientific studies are valued; casual anecdotes
>are of little or no value, especially when the anecdotes are framed in an
>ideological framework that ignores the facts about human linguistic
>behavior .
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
>
>Date:         Fri, 27 Jul 2007 09:30:59
>To:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>Subject:      Re: [ADS-L] words starting with "ex"
>
>
>I collect data all the time, listening to meda.  Having respelled the
>English language phonetically, I'm as expert as anyone.  That's why I think
>"ex" is most often pronounced in USA as short e, or an allophone thereof,
>rather than short i or an allophone thereof.
>
>I asked here for data, for opinions.  No one here apparently feels
>qualified
>enough to give an opinion on this subject.  It amazes me that people don't
>trust their own ears.  They say, like you, go read a book and see what
>"some
>expert (ixpert?)" says.
>
>Send us some sound files, Amy, to show us the diffence between "ix" and
>"ex"
>for some words and let us hear which sounds more typical.
>
>Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>See truespel.com - and the 4  truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at
>authorhouse.com.
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Amy West <medievalist at W-STS.COM>
> >Reply-To: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >Subject: Re: words starting with "ex"
> >Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 06:12:24 -0400
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> >You misunderstand me:
> >
> >What I want to say in a very direct way is this: leave M-W out of it,
> >go out and collect your own data in the wild, and study the
> >linguistic field of phonology/phonetics. Take Laurence Urdang's
> >advice.
> >
> >---Amy West
> >
> > >Date:    Tue, 24 Jul 2007 11:32:37 +0000
> > >From:    Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
> > >Subject: Re: words starting with "ex"
> > >
> > >Thanks Amy,
> > >
> > >I really should say that the m-w.com site is truly a marvelous free
> >resource
> > >and commend Marriam-Webster and all that worked on it for a fine job.
> > >Hearing the spoken word actually revolutionizes the dictionary.  Sound
> >files
> > >must be used in this forum as well.  This is a wonderful thing they
>did.
> > >
> > >Many of the issues I address I believe are due to changing
>pronunciation
> > >over time that legacy phonetic spelling hasn't kept up with, or due to
> >mixed
> > >accents.  I certainly never intimated that the pronunciation were "from
> >the
> > >wild."
> > >
> > >I agree that phonetic spelling is needlessly cryptic and should be
>redone
> >in
> > >an English friendly way so it's more accessible, especially for
> >instructing
> > >in reading and English pronunciation.  That's the thrust of truespel.
> > >
> > >What you seem to have said below is that my reliance on m-w.com as a
> > >pronunciation guide for typical USA accent is a good one because
>m-w.com
> >is
> > >ably quality controlled, with the proviso that regional accents will
> >vary.
> > >I agree with you.
> > >
> > >Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
> > >See truespel.com - and the 4  truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at
> > >authorhouse.com.
> >
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