[hw-] v. [w]

[Scot LaFaive]

Fortunately I know what ICBMs are, having grown up during the end of the
Cold War. I still remember the fear of "The Day After."

BTW, I think I missed it earlier, but in what phonological environments does
this (what exactly is it called) occur?

Scot


>From: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at YAHOO.COM>
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>Subject: Re: [hw-] v. [w]
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:06:42 -0700
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>When I was growing up we had better things to worry about than saying
>/hw-/. Like ICBMs and getting the Yankees to win the World Series every
>year forever.  (I'll bet you young folks think "ICBM" is just some kind of
>scatological joke, but never mind that.) It wasn't till college, with a man
>in the White House who wasn't afraid to say, "I am not a crook," that I was
>taught there were people in my America who actually said /hw-/. All day
>long.  And expected to keep right on saying it.
>
>   They actually distinguished between "which" and "witch" like spelling
>wasn't good enough for 'em.  Well, it took a while for yours truly to come
>to terms with this.  Until I did, I was as tongue-tied as young Scotty
>here.
>
>   But it's like those Old Englishmen with words like "hnaef" and
>"Wealhtheow." They expected to keep right on saying them.
>
>   We'll see who laughs last on this one too.
>
>   JL
>Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
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>I don't have an [h] anywhere near my [w]'s (Wisconsin dialect), so I don't
>even know what this sounds like. Any good sound files for this?
>
>Scot
>
>
> >From: sagehen
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> >Subject: Re: [hw-] v. [w]
> >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:27:55 -0400
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> > >I still contend it is -wh- , not -hw-, the -w- being a
> > >vowel (hence its name, double u), unstressed, often
> > >unvoiced, before the -h-. .]
> > >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >See, or more to the point listen to, Flanders & Swann: " I'm a Gnu".
> >
> > > [I do not put an -h- in -weird-, there is no -h- in -weird-, it's
> > >pronounced >(ou)eared.
> >
> >This was, of course, a joke.
> >
> >Back to [hw-] v. [w] in general, do non-hw speakers carry this even to
>the
> >word "whistle?"
> >AM
> >
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