[hw-] v. [w]

[Scot LaFaive]

OIC now


>From: "Dennis R. Preston" <preston at MSU.EDU>
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>Subject: Re: [hw-] v. [w]
>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:02:39 -0400
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>Subject:      Re: [hw-] v. [w]
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>Scot,
>
>It's not environmental; it's lexical
>
>which vs. witch
>when vs. win (in correct English)
>whine vs. wine
>whit vs. wit
>where vs. wear
>why vs. "y"
>etc...
>
>dInIs
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> >Poster:       Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM>
> >Subject:      Re: [hw-] v. [w]
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> >Fortunately I know what ICBMs are, having grown up during the end of the
> >Cold War. I still remember the fear of "The Day After."
> >
> >BTW, I think I missed it earlier, but in what phonological environments
>does
> >this (what exactly is it called) occur?
> >
> >Scot
> >
> >
> >>From: Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at YAHOO.COM>
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> >>To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> >>Subject: Re: [hw-] v. [w]
> >>Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 15:06:42 -0700
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> >>Poster:       Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at YAHOO.COM>
> >>Subject:      Re: [hw-] v. [w]
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> >>When I was growing up we had better things to worry about than saying
> >>/hw-/. Like ICBMs and getting the Yankees to win the World Series every
> >>year forever.  (I'll bet you young folks think "ICBM" is just some kind
>of
> >>scatological joke, but never mind that.) It wasn't till college, with a
>man
> >>in the White House who wasn't afraid to say, "I am not a crook," that I
>was
> >>taught there were people in my America who actually said /hw-/. All day
> >>long.  And expected to keep right on saying it.
> >>
> >>    They actually distinguished between "which" and "witch" like
>spelling
> >>wasn't good enough for 'em.  Well, it took a while for yours truly to
>come
> >>to terms with this.  Until I did, I was as tongue-tied as young Scotty
> >>here.
> >>
> >>    But it's like those Old Englishmen with words like "hnaef" and
> >>"Wealhtheow." They expected to keep right on saying them.
> >>
> >>    We'll see who laughs last on this one too.
> >>
> >>    JL
> >>Scot LaFaive <spiderrmonkey at HOTMAIL.COM> wrote:
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> >>I don't have an [h] anywhere near my [w]'s (Wisconsin dialect), so I
>don't
> >>even know what this sounds like. Any good sound files for this?
> >>
> >>Scot
> >>
> >>
> >>  >From: sagehen
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> >>  >Subject: Re: [hw-] v. [w]
> >>  >Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 11:27:55 -0400
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> >>  >Subject: Re: [hw-] v. [w]
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> >>  > >I still contend it is -wh- , not -hw-, the -w- being a
> >>  > >vowel (hence its name, double u), unstressed, often
> >>  > >unvoiced, before the -h-. .]
> >>  > >
> >>  > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >>  >See, or more to the point listen to, Flanders & Swann: " I'm a Gnu".
> >>  >
> >>  > > [I do not put an -h- in -weird-, there is no -h- in -weird-, it's
> >>  > >pronounced >(ou)eared.
> >>  >
> >>  >This was, of course, a joke.
> >>  >
> >>  >Back to [hw-] v. [w] in general, do non-hw speakers carry this even
>to
> >>the
> >>  >word "whistle?"
> >>  >AM
> >>  >
> >>  >~@:> ~@:> ~@:> ~@:>
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