Safire Sucks ("Hello, Sucker" column)
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Sun Mar 4 03:35:20 UTC 2007
William Safire's Sunday New York Times "On Language" column this week is
titled "Hello, Sucker." Although I did research on "Hello, sucker" and "Sucker"
(citizen of Illinois) and "Sucker born every minute" and more, he didn't
contact me. I guess the rule here is to contact every ADS member BUT me, the guy
he screwed on "the Big Apple" business for a mere decade.
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Grant Barrett and ADS-L are mentioned:
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I ran this hidden concern past Grant Barrett, editor of Oxford’s excellent
political etymology, “Hatchet Jobs and Hardball,” a host of the KPBS
public-radio show “A Way With Words” and whose “Double-Tongued Dictionary” is
available at _www.doubletongued.org_ (http://www.doubletongued.org/) . “While it is
debated regularly,” he e-mails, “some linguists and lexicographers do think
that sucks, as it is currently used, such as ‘Algebra sucks,’ without a
direct object, is probably not derived from longer forms.” Obviously, other
language scholars disagree and are free to send their always profound comments to
one another on the American Dialect Society listserv because I must use my
remaining space to deal with this question: Is there anything unduly
suggestive or remotely lascivious about Bush’s “I’m about to crank this sucker up?”
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This passage makes no sense:
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That sense of gullibility was exemplified in several famous American sayings,
like “Never give a sucker an even break,” falsely ascribed in the 1880s to
the showman Phineas T. Barnum by a rival impresario. The Barnum biographer
A. H. Saxton credits Paper Collar Joe Bessimer, a notorious confidence man,
with “There’s a sucker born every minute, but none of them ever die.” (...)
In the 1936 film “Poppy,” W. C. Fields first said, “Never give a sucker an
even break,” which reinforced the sense of a sucker being a born “loser.”
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"Never give a sucker and even break" was falsely ascribed in the 1880s to the
showman Phineas T. Barnum, but was _first said_ by W. C. Fields in the 1936
film "Poppy"? Safire could have checked the Yale Book of Quotations, where
Fields is credited from the 1923 stage musical "Poppy." Doesn't anyone
proofread at The New York Times?
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Again, don't think of writing to Safire, or sending a letter to the editor,
or asking for a correction, or writing to the Public Editor.
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Why or why doesn't Safire retire? Is he in ill health? This stuff has been
bad for a decade and a half now, but a lifeless column like this is just a
waste of newsprint.
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