Loose cannon (1889)

[Sarah Lang]

19thc. seems late. I would doubt it was not in usage during even the
17thc. (maybe even 16th)--as a "loose a can(n)on is rather serious
problem. I think it would be a question of when nautical speech was
recorded.

(Also: when a Loose Cannon Flogs a Dead Horse There's the Devil to
Pay: Seafaring Words in Everyday Speech--Olivia A. Isil. Not
academic, but a good and entreating starting place.)

s.

On May 17, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Stephen Goranson wrote:

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> Quoting Dave Wilton <dave at WILTON.NET>:
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>> OED3 and HDAS have 1946.
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>> From the _Galveston Daily News_ (Texas), 19 December 1889
>> (newspaperarchive.com):
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>> "It would in no event become, as Mr. Grady once said, "a loose
>> cannon in a
>> storm-tossed ship," for the very reason that it has not
>> intelligence enough
>> to voluntarily stand alone as a class and vote as a political unit.
>>
>> The metaphor may also be credited to Victor Hugo, who in his 1874
>> novel
>> _Ninety Three_, included an incident about a cannon loose on the
>> deck of
>> ship during a storm.
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> Google books gives from Number seventeen: A Noevl [sic, though not
> so on the
> title page} by Henry Kingsley,  London, vol. 2, (apparently-
> legitimate) date
> 1875, p.60:
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> At once, of course, the ship was in the trough of the sea, a more
> fearfully
> dangerous engine of destruction than Mr. Victor Hugo's celebrated
> loose
> cannon.
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> Stephen Goranson
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