Beverly Flanigan flanigan at OHIO.EDU
Sun May 20 02:31:01 UTC 2007

At 09:46 PM 5/19/2007, you wrote:
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>Poster:       Tom Zurinskas <truespel at HOTMAIL.COM>
>Subject:      Re: Hockey
>Canadian speakers and other dialects can be heard at the web site "The
>Iternational Dialects of English Archives" IDEA.
>Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>See  The 4 truespel books and "Occasional Poems" are at

>Yes, and check out the work of Jack Chambers and Charles Boberg (among
>others) on Canadian English

> >From: James Harbeck <jharbeck at SYMPATICO.CA>
> >Reply-To: American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> >Subject: Re: Hockey
> >Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 19:29:01 -0400
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> >Poster:       James Harbeck <jharbeck at SYMPATICO.CA>
> >Subject:      Re: Hockey
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> > >I wasn't disputing your last claim, that there's no real distinction
> > >between Canadian 'hawkey' and 'hockey'; my understanding is that they are
> > >indeed merged.
> >
> >Sorry, didn't mean to imply that you were. I was just giving that
> >info for the sake of contrast.
> >
> > >However, it seems to me that the vowel isn't really script
> > >a but is rather somewhat farther back and slightly rounder, but not as
> >back
> > >and round as open o--on a continuum somewhere between script a and open
> > >o.  By the way, as a Minnesotan, I also have the same centralized
> >diphthong
> > >in 'right' and 'write', though perhaps not quite as far back as you do.
> >
> >I think you're right, at least for some Canadians; there can be a
> >little variation in the location of that vowel between local
> >dialects. I think some work has been done in mapping the sounds in
> >Canadian English, but I doubt I could find a link to send. In spite
> >of my presenting the Canadian dialect as rather homogeneous, there
> >are certainly small variations. For instance, where I grew up
> >(southern Alberta), "Canadian raising" on the [au] diphthong before
> >unvoiced consonants (oy, I forgot to say that that one also gets [a]
> >in it) was not a notable feature, but in much of southern Ontario it
> >is. But the raising on [ai] that you describe before unvoiced
> >consonants was certainly present there as here.
> >
> >James Harbeck.
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