"Location, location, location": a proverb?
Arnold M. Zwicky
zwicky at CSLI.STANFORD.EDU
Wed May 30 15:28:23 UTC 2007
On May 30, 2007, at 5:00 AM, Jon Lighter wrote:
> Oh, I forgot:
>
> "What I tell you three times is true." --Lewis Carroll, "The
> Hunting of the Snark."
>
> (That's once....)
>
> JL
>
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> From the 18th century ... what, this isn't the "long 18th century"
> email list? ... well, anyway, from at least the reign of Shah Jahan
> (ruled 1628-1658), for whom this palace in Delhi was built:
>
> "High on the walls of the room [containing the Mogul Emperor's
> Peacock Throne] was repeated an inscription in Persian: 'If there be
> a paradise on earth, it is this, it is this, it is this.'"...
it's very discouraging to see our earlier discussion on this topic
being reproduced. i suppose it was inevitable that the Snark line
would appear, again.
i tried to be as clear as possible about this in my Language Log
posting (which Ben Zimmer cited, and which summarizes much of the
earlier ADS-L discussion). repetition for emphasis (or affirmation)
has been around forever. it's the precursor to the snowclone, which
is a conventionalized figure of the form
the three most important things in X are Y, Y, Y
(or something close), conveying
the only important thing in X is Y.
once people know the figure, they can get away with
Y, Y, Y
as conveying
the only important thing (in this context) is Y.
but that doesn't mean that every triplication is an instance of the
snowclone. only a few are.
maybe people are confused because i gave the figure the name "X3". i
wanted a short name; ""the three most important things in X are Y, Y,
Y" 'the only important thing in X is Y'" is not really a usable
name. anything shorter leaves out important details of the form and
content of the figure -- but that should be ok, since LABELS ARE NOT
DEFINITIONS:
http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004227.html
but, apparently, i am going to be forever misunderstood. maybe i
should have called the figure "Irene", or "73.53.8".
arnold
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