vl cluster spotting
Benjamin Barrett
gogaku at IX.NETCOM.COM
Sun Nov 11 04:01:26 UTC 2007
I'll try to find Vltava and listen to see if I recognize it. TY.
It also just occurred to me that Vlasic is probably the most common
"vl" cluster in AmE today. BB
On Nov 10, 2007, at 7:38 PM, Joel S. Berson wrote:
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> It will certainly become more common in a few
> weeks, after the Nov. 23 through 27 concerts of
> the Boston Symphony Orchestra, which in an
> all-Smetana program will play the complete "Ma
> Vlast". Those of lesser musical ambition or
> knowledge will recognize its second part, Vltava
> (ah yes, another vl cluster), aka "Die
> Moldau". Coincidentally, the flyer for this BSO
> program arrived after my posting on vl- words.
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> And I was being a bit facetious about the
> commonness of "vlast" -- although it was in my
> vocabulary. I may even have encountered it in
> its Russian sense of "(political) power".
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> Joel
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> At 11/10/2007 09:37 PM, Benjamin Barrett wrote:
>> Hmm, I had never heard of the word until your posting. I find Má
>> vlast on Wikipedia, where vlast is explained as meaning fatherland.
>> It wasn't in my AHD3, which is the source I cited. I searched for
>> English pages on Google using the following:
>>
>> -"Ma vlast" vlast -Smetana
>>
>> In the top 100 hits, I found zero in an English setting when I
>> skipped music bands, song names and geographical names. I did find
>> "Má vlast (My Homeland): The Jiraneks In Canada: General History" at
>> about hit 90 or so, but no hits on the word within the three pages of
>> text in the article.
>>
>> Is it used commonly by ADS members? BB
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2007, at 5:09 PM, Joel S. Berson wrote:
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>>> Poster: "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at ATT.NET>
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>>> At 11/10/2007 02:30 PM, Benjamin Barrett wrote:
>>>> Right. The interesting thing about "vlog", though, is the
>>>> potential to
>>>> become a common word. BB
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>>> What, isn't "vlast" a common word? 569,000 Google hits, although
>>> many are not in English or refer to Smetana.
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