Irish accents [Was: NYT on Daniel Cassidy ...]

Wed Nov 14 03:09:04 UTC 2007

[Sending this to the list because it may have confused others when I
claimed ' Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" '.]

My apologies.  Yes I did send my message that illustrated accented
letters in HTML without realizing that because of an earlier message
sent elsewhere I was still sending styled text.  I could send my
message again as plain text, but James Harbeck's messages illustrate
what is possible.  (And yes, the reason he doesn't see what he sent
is probably due to something in his ISP or the reading side of his
email program.)

I think the archive is OK because I sent (via Eudora) as styled text
only, rather than "both".

Joel

At 11/13/2007 04:25 PM, Jesse wrote:
>On Tue, Nov 13, 2007 at 04:21:12PM -0500, Benjamin Zimmer wrote:
> > Joel,
> >
> > Just wanted to let you know that your messages look all HTML-y to me and
> > perhaps others -- see below. It looks fine on the listserv archive, though.
> >
> > Don't know if this has anything to do with posting in ISO 8859.1. Cc'ing
> > Jesse, who might know.
>
>No, they're not related. Joel posted this in HTML and with the
>character set ISO 8859.1, but he could have sent it to ADS-L
>as plain text in this character set and the "special" characters
>would have been visible as well.
>
>JTS
>
> > --Ben
> >
> >
> > On Nov 13, 2007 3:21 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
> >
> > > ---------------------- Information from the mail header
> > > -----------------------
> > > Sender:       American Dialect Society <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
> > > Poster:       "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at ATT.NET>
> > > Subject:      Re: Irish accents [Was: NYT on Daniel Cassidy ...]
> > >
> > >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > <html>
> > > <body>
> > > <font size=3D3>For those who have refrained from sending accented letters
> > > of Irish, I suspect there is no problem.  Every software package
> > > these days, I'm sure, supports the so-called "Western European"
> > > character set (ISO 8859.1), which claims to support Irish.  If<br>
> > > one displays expanded email headers, one will usually see:<br>
> > >      Content-Type: text/plain;
> > > charset=3D"iso-8859-1"<br>
> > > (Note that one does not need to send styled -- HTML -- text to enable
> > > this group of accented letters.)<br><br>
> > > This character set allows acute, grave, circumflex, tilde,
> > > dieresis/umlaut, and ring above with the usual suspects (as well as other
> > > necessary characters such as c-cedilla, eth, thorn, and sharp s). 
> > > As in:<br><br>
> > > =E0 =E1 =E2 =E3 =E4  [etc.]<br><br>
> > > With MS Windows, one can construct such characters by choosing the
> > > "United States - International" keyboard and typing the accent
> > > followed by the letter.  This can be switched on and off character
> > > by character.<br><br>
> > > Joel<br><br>
> > > At 11/13/2007 02:48 PM, Cohen, Gerald Leonard wrote:<br>
> > > <blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">Here's another troubling
> > > exam=
> > > ple
> > > from Cassidy's book (there's no shortage of them): On p. 90 he derives
> > > "shot" of "big shot" ("a very influential,
> > > important person,...") from the  Irish forms "Seod"
> > > (accent aigu over -o-), "Sead" (accent aigu over -e-), and
> > > "Sead" (accent aigu over -a-), which he defines (citing two
> > > Irish dictionaries)  as "a jewel; fig. a (big) chief, a
> > > warrior, a hero, a valiant person."</font></blockquote></body>
> > > </html>
> > >
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