"high yeller" revisited

Laurence Horn laurence.horn at YALE.EDU
Sat Nov 17 00:55:00 UTC 2007


Just thought of this exchange as I was listening to Mississippi John
Hurt singing "Big Leg Blues" (from the 1928 Avalon Blues recording).
One of the verses:

Some crave high yeller, I like black and brown
Some crave high yeller, I like black and brown
Black won't quit you, brown won't lay you down

The "yeller" is non-rhotic, but definitely schwa-final, and not /o/-final.

(Full lyrics available at http://www.harptab.com/lyrics/ly4520.shtml
for those who have no aversion to Comic Sans--you CSophobes know who
you are.)

LH

At 6:43 PM -0400 10/10/07, Dennis Preston wrote:
>Where you been, Wilson? .I heard high yeller (only from Black folk)
>in the Louisville area very frequently in the late 50s and early 60s.
>I was later amused in some PhD class at Wisconsin, where it was
>"revealed" to me as a term none of us would ever have encountered.
>Maybe they thought they were in touch with people with limited
>encounters. Maybe they were right, now that I think about it.
>
>dInIs
>
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>>Subject:      Re: antedating (?) "Katy, bar the door" (1890)
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>>Someone actually writes "high yeller"?! Who knew? Well, BE does insert
>>/r/ a la Britspeak.
>>
>>FWIW, I've never heard "high yellow" spoken by anyone of whatever
>>race, creed, color, nationality, or sexual orientation. Is there any
>>evidence that this has ever been used in the wild by anyone, even in
>>the past? My Texas and Alabama friends and relatives use(d) "bright"
>>(Texas) and "bright-skinned" (Alabama). In Saint Louis,
>>"light-skinned" was the universal term, though a couple consisting of
>>a dark-skinned partner and a light-skinned partner might be referred
>>to jokingly as "night & day." Recently, I've been hearing white people
>>refer to a couple consisting of a black person and a white person as
>>"night & day," replacing the older "salt-&-pepper team."
>>
>>I first heard "salt & pepper team" on a TV cop show set in Los
>>Angeles, only later hearing it in the Boston wild applied to me and
>>one of my housemates. She was a *very* dark-skinned white person,
>>darker than my mother, in fact, after a summer of soaking up the UV,
>>of Rumanian-Jewish descent. So, I felt that evvithang would be cool.
>>Unfortunately, there must be some racist version of gaydar. As soon as
>>we got out of the car, shouts of "salt-&-paper team" began to rain
>>down upon us. Oh, well. What can you do?
>>
>>-Wilson
>>
>>-Wilson
>>On 10/10/07, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu> wrote:
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>>>  At 4:47 PM -0400 10/4/07, Wilson Gray wrote:
>>>  >I've long noted that same phenomenon, myself, used by British writers.
>>>  >I've never understood why they don't use "-uh" or "-a," the way we do,
>>>  >well, the way we do, now, at least. It's far more transparent. :-)
>>>  >
>>>  >-Wilson
>>>
>>>  Not just the Brits.  Am I writing in assuming, as I always have, that
>>>  "yeller" as in "high yeller" (for skin pigmentation) or "Old Yeller"
>>>  (for the eponymous pooch) is so written to indicate final /@/ rather
>>>  than the standard /o/, and that the rhotic pronunciation is
>>>  essentially the same as that below (or in "Eeyore")?
>>>
>>>  LH
>>>
>>>  >
>>>  >On 10/3/07, Benjamin Zimmer <bgzimmer at babel.ling.upenn.edu> wrote:
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>>>  >>  Subject:      Re: antedating (?) "Katy, bar the door" (1890)
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>>>  >>
>>>  >>  As it happens, I've just posted something on Language Log about
>>>  >>  orthographic <r> in non-rhotic pronunciation spellings (specifically
>>>  >>  <er> used to represent [@:]).
>>>  >>
>>>  >  > http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/004985.html
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >>
>>>  >>  On 10/3/07, Dennis R. Preston <preston at msu.edu> wrote:
>>>  >>  > Wilson,
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  > It's very doubtful that this orthographic /r/ indicates a phonetic
>>  > >>  > one. In reading the JC Harris stories, for example, folk who don't
>>>  >>  > know southern speech interpret such things as Br'er Rabbit as BRY-er
>>>  >>  > or some such silliness. We know, of course, that it is is "brother"
>>  > >>  > (bruh) and that Harris was using the "r" to indicate vowel quality
>>>  >>  > (usually wedge or lengthening, as in "bar" in your quote I think, or
>>>  >>  > both).
>>>  >>  >
>>>  >>  > dInIs
>>>
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>>>  >>  > >Subject:      Re: antedating (?) "Katy, bar the door" (1890)
>>>  >>
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>>>  >>  > >
>>>
>>>  >>  > >"When she say that, hit's 'Katy, bar _ther_ do',' then, _fer_ she's
>>>  >>  > >gwine _ter_ do it."
>>>  >>  > >
>>>  >>  > >I assume that the passage is a bit of eye-dialect BE.
>>>  >>  > >
>>>  >>  > >Therefore, FWIW, I note that shwa [I spell it this way because I
>>>  >>  > >choose to] is replaced by shwa+r in this way in some fairly rare
>>>  >>  > >dialects of BE to this day. A ninety-ish cousin of mine
>>>from down home
>>>  >>  > >in Texas uses it and I've heard it used by the odd
>>>speaker/singer from
>>>  >>  > >bluesman to hiphopper. It sounds rather strange, hearing someone use
>>>  >>  > >an "r" where nobody else does, whereas the person doesn't use "r"
>>>  >>  > >where the standard, at least, does use one.`
>>>  >>  > >
>>>  >>  > >-Wilson
>>>  >>  > >
>>>  >>  > >
>>>  >>  > >On 10/3/07, Benjamin Zimmer <bgzimmer at babel.ling.upenn.edu> wrote:
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>>>  >>  > >>  Subject:      Re: antedating (?) "Katy, bar the door" (1890)
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>>>  >>
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>>>  >>  > >>
>>>
>>>  >>  > >>  On 10/3/07, Benjamin Zimmer <bgzimmer at ling.upenn.edu> wrote:
>>>  >>  > >>  >
>>>  >>  > >>  > 1888 _Current Literature_ Dec. 499/1 When she say
>>>that, hits 'Katy,
>>>  >>  > >>  > bar ther do, then, fer she's gwineter do it.
>>>  >>  > >>  > [HNP Doc ID 229263831]
>>>  >>  > >>
>>>  >>  > >>  Sorry, missed some punctuation in there:
>>>  >>  > >>
>>>  >>  > >>  1888 _Current Literature_ Dec. 499/1 When she say that,
>>>hits 'Katy,
>>>  >>  > >>  bar ther do', then, fer she's gwineter do it.
>>>  >>  > >>
>>>  >>  > >>
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