"Ropers and Dopers" (Austin & Willie Nelson); "Rope-a-Dope" (Mohammad Ali)

Barry Popik bapopik at GMAIL.COM
Sat Nov 17 23:23:10 UTC 2007


OED ("miserable on drugs") has "rope-a-dope," but not "ropers and
dopers." OED shouldn't miss out on this classic Austin term from the
1970s. Which term came first, though?
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http://www.barrypopik.com/index.php/texas/entry/ropers_and_dopers_cowboys_and_hippies/
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Entry from November 17, 2007
"Ropers and Dopers" (cowboys and hippies)
Austin in the 1970s (especially at the Armadillo World Headquarters)
was known for its "ropers and dopers"—cowboys and hippies. Many
articles about Willie Nelson mention his 1970s crowds of "ropers and
dopers."

On October 30, 1974, Muhammad Ali performed his "rope-a-dope" act in
his fight against George Foreman, tiring the slugger while Ali rested
on the ropes. While both terms "ropers and dopers" and "rope-a-dope"
were popular at about the same time, it appears that "ropers and
dopers" appeared slightly earlier.

"Dopers and ropers" is used less often.


allmusic
Austin in the '70s
Kurt Wolff
(...)
Austin was always a good town for all sorts of music, but in the
1970s, it became known for a country-rock mixture called "progressive
country" (thanks to radio station KOKE) or sometimes "redneck rock"
(from the title of a book by Jan Reid, The Improbable Rise of Redneck
Rock). It was a country-fried sound that mixed West Coast
psychedelic-rock influences with traditional cowboy ballads and
honky-tonk numbers, and put ropers and dopers in the same room at the
same time, grooving to the same music.

iMusic Contemporary Showcase - Willie Nelson
When his Nashville home burned down just before Christmas in 1970,
Nelson took it as an omen and moved to the place his live performing
career had actually found an audience-his home state of Texas. But
this time around, he not only found fans at such stalwart roadhouses
as Floore's Country Store outside San Antonio, but also at the
recently opened Armadillo World Headquarters rock palace in Austin.
Uniting both the ropers and dopers, Nelson signed with Atlantic
Records and recorded two albums to critical acclaim and his best sales
ever: Shotgun Willie and Phases and Stages.

T.O. Music: Billy Joe Shaver
Billy Joe Shaver: a life in song (Jul. 21/05)
(...)
Honky Tonk Heroes: Billy writes a masterpiece
In 1972, on Kristofferson's encouragement, he played at the Dripping
Springs music festival (an event soon to evolve into Willie Nelson's
annual Fourth of July Picnic). It was a significant precursor to a new
direction in country music, and it embraced a then-unique mix of both
performers, (including Loretta Lynn, Tex Ritter, Kris Kristofferson,
John Prine, and Leon Russell) and of audience (hippies and cowboys –
or as they soon became known in Texas, "ropers and dopers"). It was
there he met Waylon Jennings, and the next big event in Billy Joe's
life was about to occur as a result.

(Oxford English Dictionary)
rope-a-dope, n.
U.S. Boxing slang.
A tactic whereby a boxer rests against the ropes and protects himself
with his arms and gloves, so goading an opponent to throw tiring,
ineffective punches. Freq. attrib.
The strategy is particularly associated with Muhammad Ali (b. 1942),
world heavyweight champion three times between 1964 and 1978, who is
said to have coined the phrase.
1975 Sports Illustr. 26 May 74/1 Rope-a-dope had worked against George
Foreman in Zaire; it is doubtful that the technique will ever work
again against an Ali opponent.
1976 Newsweek 4 July 93/1 (heading) Rope-a-Dopes… Each time Mohammed
escaped by scrambling to the ropes.

Wikipedia: Rope-a-dope
Rope-a-dope is a boxing fighting style used most famously by Muhammad
Ali (who coined the term) in the Rumble in the Jungle against George
Foreman. The idea is for the boxer to lie on the ropes of a boxing
ring, conserve energy and allow the opponent to strike him repeatedly
in hopes of making him tire and open up weaknesses to exploit for an
eventual counter-attack.

Wikipedia: The Rumble in the Jungle
The Rumble in The Jungle was a historic boxing event that took place
on October 30, 1974, in the May 20 Stadium in Kinshasa, Zaire (now
Democratic Republic of the Congo). It pitted then world Heavyweight
champion George Foreman against former world champion and challenger
Muhammad Ali, who became the second fighter ever, after Floyd
Patterson, to recover the world's Heavyweight crown.

22 June 1974, Fremont (CA) Argus, pg. 2, col. 6:
Ropers, Not dopers
EDITOR: To Newark Hippie. This is to let you know that there have been
horses, cowboys and cowgirls in this area long before you were ever
thought of. (...) We're proud to be ropers, not dopers.
NEWARK COWGIRL

25 February 1976, New York (NY) Times, "A Brash, Young Houston
Schizophrenic Over Its Culture" by James P. Sterba, pg. 39:
For bearded young cowboys who occasionally smoke marijuana with their
Lone Star beer and who call themselves "ropers and dopers," there are
havens headlining such names as Willie Nelson or Kinky Friedman and
the Texas Jewboys.

Rolling Stone- Album Reviews (February 26, 1976)
The key record here is Bobby Bare's. Never so much a songwriter as an
interpreter with impeccable taste, Bare has borne the burden of Shel
Silverstein-written albums for a couple of years, even though
Silverstein is acceptable only in the dose found here: two songs per
LP. Now, Bare has released a concept album dedicated to "the Ropers
and Dopers, the Red Neck Mothers, the Cosmics, the Drinkers and
Thinkers..."

Cowboys and Daddys is a literary album.

4 March 1977, Corpus Christi (TX) Times, pg. 14A, col. 3:
Thus, depending on whom you talk to, we can break down humanity into
nobles and serfs, proletarians and the bourgeoisie, ropers and dopers,
infidels and true believers—the list goes on endlessly.

The Scriptorium
223. Long, Jeff. Angels of Light. NY 1987. 298p. Fiction, Ropers and
dopers. First Edition. As New .....$35.00

Dallas Morning News
ARMADILLO HEADQUARTERS IS GONE, BUT POSTER ART LIVES ON IN AUSTIN
Author: Carlos Vidal Greth Austin American-Statesman, Associated Press
The Dallas Morning News (DAL)
Publish Date: August 8, 1987

AUSTIN—The lamentably defunct Armadillo World Headquarters, linked in
the popular imagination with the evolution of the Austin Sound, defies
categorization. It was a recording studio, art gallery, subculture
museum, entertainers' guild, beer garden and, for hundreds of
employees and habitues, a home away from home.

A converted National Guard armory, the ramshackle, new-age honky-tonk
attracted straights and freaks, ropers and dopers. From 1970 to 1981,
its stage mixed and…

20 July 1991, Titusville (PA) Herald, USA Weekend, pg. 5, col. 2:
He (Willie Nelson—ed.) continued to stage his annual small-town Fourth
of July Picnics—concerts viewed by dopers and ropers in equal (and
vast) numbers and by more non-paying than paying customers.

Antelope Valley Fairgrounds (Lancaster, PA)
LANCASTER, CA. May 16, 2006 – Officials of the Antelope Valley
Fairgrounds gathered, today, to announce the exciting Robertson
Palmdale Honda concert series line-up for the 2006 Fair.  Performers
will include Grammy winning rockers, Train; rock & roll hall of fame
legends, Lynryd Skynryd; country western icon, Willie Nelson;
retro-leaning, country singer Sara Evans; American Idol favorite, Josh
Gracin and two acts yet to be announced.
(...)
More than an icon, Willie Nelson has become something of an American
institution.  For four decades, Nelson entertained generations of
Americans, gathering multiple awards along the way.  He was even feted
at the Kennedy Center Honors in 1998.  His Texas roots did not lock
him into the conventional C&W mold.  He joined "ropers and dopers" who
turned honky-tonk, country, rock, folk, blues, and jazz upside-down
and inside-out.  Nelson even established himself on screen in films
like "The Electric Horseman", "Honeysuckle Rose" and "Songwriter".
Like a band of gypsies, Willie Nelson is "On the Road Again", coming
to the 2006 Antelope Valley Fair.

New York Times - Books (August 12, 2007)
First Chapter
"Sin in the Second City"
By KAREN ABBOTT
Published: August 12, 2007

Even in its frontier days, Chicago oozed vice rooted in liquor and
gambling, with prostitutes and pimps following closely behind, tailed
in turn by the hoodlums, pickpockets, burglars, con men, ropers, and
dopers.

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