Runglish

[Dennis Preston]

Wilson,

Exactly; I meant to retrieve the message and write "only
historically," but, alas, it had fled into the ether.

dInIs

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>Thanks. But only historically for  /v/ (and /s/) only historically.
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>-Wilson
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>On 9/13/07, Dennis Preston <preston at msu.edu> wrote:
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>>  Good shot Wilson.  I forgot such Russian items. (Although the /v/ [f]
>>  is from another morpheme).
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>>  >How about [fstr] in _vstrecha_? Or do _biznesmeny_ prefer
>>_miting_, nowadays?
>>  >
>>  >Sineet more za bul'varom
>>  >Kashtan nad gorodom tsvetet
>>  >Nash Konstantin beret gitaru
>>  >I tikhim golosom poet:
>>  >
>>  >Ia vam ne skazhu za vsiu Odessu
>>  >Vsia Odessa ochen' velika
>>  >No i moldovanka i _peresyp_
>>  >Obozhaiut Kostiu moriaka
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>>  >Chto znachit _peresyp_? It's not in Smirnitskii.
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>>  >-Wilson
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>>  >On 9/13/07, Darya Kostina <tamarra at ngs.ru> wrote:
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>>  >>  Sure, Dennis, Ponglish or whatever you call it )
>>  >>
>>  >>  It must be about the place of articulation: Mstislav
>>  >>  Kostruba (not quite Russian, by the way, though a Slavonic
>>  >>  name): here we go from the lips to alveolae quite
>>  >>  comfortably. And borsh is CC in pronunciation.
>>  >>  But [ndk] makes you shift back and forth.
>>  >>
>>  >>  Historically, we sure have our awkward words. But slang is
>>  >>  not likely to construct something painstaking, save if the
>>  >>  comical effect is worth it.
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>>  >>  On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 11:36:22 EDT
>>  >>    RonButters at AOL.COM wrote:
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>>  >>  > In a message dated 9/13/07 9:17:53 AM, preston at MSU.EDU
>>  >>  >writes:
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>>  >>  >> Betcha can't get four. Even English speakers have /str/
>>  >>  >>(although
>>  >>  >> admittedly not /mst/).
>>  >>  >>
>>  >>  >> dInIs
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>>  >>  >
>>  >>  > Well, there is [borStS] 'beet soup'
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Dennis R. Preston
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Department of English
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