Camels vs. dromedaries? (UNCLASSIFIED)

Thu Apr 3 16:51:21 UTC 2008

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The album you found is a companion to the cards I linked to.  (It was a
mail-in premium -- send 250 (or some such number) coupons from cig
packages, and they would send you the album.)

I've got a copy and it is an incredible example of the printer's art.
Turn of the century chromolithography is beautiful, and is prettier than
anything mass printed today.

I will try and look up some references on these items when I get home.
There are reference books on these cards, and I've got most of them.

Topps would be exceedingly unhelpful.  They use the "Allen & Ginter"
name to add a whiff of quality to their baseball card line.

The manager of the website would simply give you the same info as I
will, from the same books.

Bill

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> I see on Ebay I can buy an "album" of quadrupeds for $102.50!
> plus $2.50 shipping.  (No individual camel or dromedary
> card.)  Now if I can get an NEA grant ...
>
> Bill, I would like to have some written documentation beyond
> the web images, especially for the date.  Can you give me a
> contact for the website owner?  Or perhaps Northeastern Univ.
> can put me in touch.  Or perhaps Topps Allen & Ginter?
>
> Thanks,
> Joel
>
> At 4/3/2008 12:12 PM, Mullins, Bill AMRDEC wrote:
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> >I collect cards like these, and was aware of the website from my
> >interest in the hobby (the owner is doing a massive job of posting
> >pictures of a number of scarce trading cards).
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> > > Eureka!  Jesse, take note.  Bill, how did you know where to find
> > > these?
> > >
> > > Joel
> > >
> > > At 4/3/2008 11:35 AM, Mullins, Bill AMRDEC wrote:
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> > > >These are pictures from a set of trading cards issued about
> > > 1888.  They
> > > >were inserted in packs of cigarettes.
> > > >
> > > >Camel (note two humps)
> > > >http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-N41/N41-camel.jpg
> > > >
> > > >Dromedary (note one hump)
> > > >http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/z-ns-N41/N41-drom.jpg
> > > >
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> > > > > In the early 19th century, might people have used the
> > > word "camel"
> > > > > to refer to one species (I am guessing to the
> > > > > Bactrian) and "dromedary" to refer to the other species
> > > (the Arabian)?
> > > > >
> > > > > The OED merely asserts that " a lighter and fleeter
> > > variety of the
> > > > > [Arabian] is known as the Dromedary."
> > > > >
> > > > > Or perhaps the distinction was made only in Salem,
> Massachusetts.
> > > > >
> > > > > In James Felt's _Annals of Salem_ (2nd ed., 1845 & 1849), he
> > > > > describes several collections of animals exhibited there
> > > in 1834.
> > > > > Of one he writes "In the collection were ... camels;"
> of another
> > > > > later in the year his complete description is "There is a
> > > > > similar exhibition here. Of the animals were two dromedaries."
> > > > >
> > > > > In _The House of the Seven Gables_ (1851), Hepzibah's
> > > first, and a
> > > > > steady, customer at her cent-shop is a young schoolboy
> > > who is fond
> > > > > of gingerbread animals.  On one visit, Hawthorne
> writes, he "now
> > > > > proposed to eat a camel."  The next day he "had
> signalized his
> > > > > omnivorous prowess by swallowing two dromedaries and a
> > > locomotive."
> > > > > The day after that, when he reappears on an errand for
> > > his mother,
> > > > > Hawthorne reminds us who he is by writing "the little
> > > devourer ...
> > > > > of Jim Crow, the elephant, the camel, the
> dromedaries, and the
> > > > > locomotive."
> > > > >
> > > > > So these two writers were making some distinction.
> Was it the
> > > > > number of humps?  Or the slimmer outline of the fleet
> dromedary
> > > > > (seen in the profiles of a parade or a gingerbread treat)?
> > > > >
> > > > > Joel
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