yahoo

Fri Apr 4 07:16:53 UTC 2008

Are you shitting us or do you really not know what a phoneme is?

dInIs

Tom Zurinskas writes:

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> The "oor" with a "short oo" is a tough one.  I'll write what I hear in m-w.com.  The m-w.com notation does not copy/paste well. A good reason to switch to truespel.  Truespel notation (~) will always copy/paste perfectly.  I'll check words cure, lure, tour, poor , sure, moor, spoor, jury........ for the ~oor sound (with short oo (~oo) as in "book").  To me the "short oo" sound (as in foot, book, push)  is just not natural before ~r.
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> Main Entry: 1cure
> Pronunciation: \ËˆkyuÌ‡r\    (The box stands for a u with a dot over it.)
> I click the icon and hear the man say ~kyer (with ~er as in "her")
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> Main Entry: 1lure
> Pronunciation: \ËˆluÌ‡r\
> I click the icon and hear the lady say ~luer (with ~ue as in "true")
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> Main Entry: 1tour
> Pronunciation: \ËˆtuÌ‡r, 1 is also ËˆtauÌ‡(-É™)r\
> I click the icon and hear the man say ~tuer (with ~ue as in "true")
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> Main Entry: poor
> Pronunciation: \ËˆpuÌ‡r, ËˆpoÌ‡r\
> I click the icon and hear the man say ~poor (with ~oo as in "book")
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> Main Entry: 1sure
> Pronunciation: \ËˆshuÌ‡r, especially Southern ËˆshoÌ‡r\
> I click the icon and hear the man say ~sher (with ~er as in "her")
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> Main Entry: 1moor
> Pronunciation: \ËˆmuÌ‡r\
> I click the icon and hear the lady say ~mor (with ~or as in "or")
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> Main Entry: 1spoor
> Pronunciation: \ËˆspuÌ‡r, ËˆspoÌ‡r\
> I click the icon and hear the lady say ~spoor (with ~oo as in "book")
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> Main Entry: 1juÂ·ry
> Pronunciation: \ËˆjuÌ‡r-Ä“\
> I click the icon and hear the man say ~jeree (with ~er as in "her")
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> So of these eight, two are close to ~oor, the rest to something else, even though m-w.com give the notation for short oo (a letter u with a dot over it).  One phoneme m-w.com doesn't have is the ~or phoneme (the sound of letter "o" in "or").  It's not a "long o" because the letter "r" changes it a bit.
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> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
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>> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 03:35:13 -0400
>> From: preston at MSU.EDU
>> Subject: Re: yahoo
>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
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>> cure, lure, tour, poor , sure, moor, spoor, jury........ Surely not rare.
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>> dInIs
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>>>Subject: Re: yahoo
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>>>Thanks Mike,
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>>>Being an old geezer with a lot of TV westerns under my belt, I'm not
>>>as accepting as thee when I'm told that "yahoo" is pronounced
>>>YAY-hoo (yay as in hay) ~yaehue. Never heard that. It's always
>>>been YAH-hoo ~yaahue as in the website name or yah-HOO ~yaahhue as
>>>an exclamation.
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>>>Right. There is a second entry that pops up showing "yahoo" as an
>>>interjection. So you must cursor down to select it to see the info.
>>>Why that's a good idea I don't know. I'd like one word with all the
>>>info under it so I don't miss selecting something. I wonder if it's
>>>new, because I've been using m-w.com for years. It's a great free
>>>resource.
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>>>If they use OR then a yahoo as defined might not be stupid. I don't
>>>think a yahoo is supposed to be smart. According to that definition
>>>(using OR) a smart person that happens to be boorish can be called a
>>>yahoo.
>>>
>>>Strange word "boorish" ~boorish. It has the sound of "oo" in
>>>"foot". Before "r" is rare.
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>>>Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>>>See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems"
>>>at authorhouse.com.
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>>>> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 17:31:02 -0400
>>>> From: mcovarru at PURDUE.EDU
>>>> Subject: Re: yahoo
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>>>> Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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>>>>> The basic issues were.
>>>>> 1. m-w.com's majority pronunciation is YAY-hoo (yay as in hay),
>>>>>but I'd think it is YAH-hoo or yah-HOO.
>>>>>
>>>> OED lists only [ja:hu:] for the N. As I said before -- YAY-hoo is new to
>>>> me. But I'm willing to accept that it's out there somewhere regardless
>>>> of what I've heard.
>>>>> 2. m-w.com doesn't recognize yahoo as an interjection, which is
>>>>>obvious to me as the majority use, as yahoo.com would after the
>>>>>interjection not the noun (stupid person).
>>>>>
>>>> M-W.com does recognize the interjection. Look carefully after you do the
>>>> search. You'll see the following:
>>>> yahoo
>>>> 2 entries found.
>>>> yahoo[1,noun]
>>>> yahoo[2,interjection]
>>>>
>>>> Click on the second and you'll get your longed-for entry.
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>>>>> 3. m-w.com defines a "yahoo" as a "boorish (rude), crass
>>>>>(undignified), OR stupid person." I maintain they must mean AND
>>>>>not OR as one could be smart and boorish and crass as well.
>>>>>Otherwise a boorish person is a yahoo, a crass person is a yahoo,
>>>>>and a stupid person is one two.
>>>>>
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>>>> I maintain that they mean OR because they mean to say that a boorish
>>>> person is a yahoo, and a crass person is a yahoo, and a stupid person is
>>>> a yahoo as well.
>>>>
>>>> This allows for the following:
>>>> a sensitive and crass and smart person is a yahoo.
>>>> a sensitive and delicate and stupid person is a yahoo.
>>>> a sensitive and crass and stupid person is a yahoo.
>>>> a boorish and delicate and smart person is a yahoo.
>>>> a boorish and delicate and stupid person is a yahoo.
>>>> a boorish and crass and stupid person is a yahoo.
>>>> a boorish and crass and smart person is a yahoo.
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>>>> n.b. that the last type is *supposed* to be allowed by the construction.
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>> Dennis R. Preston
>> University Distinguished Professor
>> Department of English
>> Morrill Hall 15-C
>> Michigan State University
>> East Lansing, MI 48864 USA
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