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[Tom Zurinskas]

If you want to know what he meant you'd have to ask him.  Why guess.

Truespel has phonemes ~er, ~air, ~or, which are American English vowels that are influenced by the letter "r", so "r" is attached to the phoneme, but a separate phoneme.  This was explained.

Everything's in our heads, phonemes and allophones.  There are only 40 phonemes for Amenglish, so allophones fit within them.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at authorhouse.com.

> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 16:55:10 -0500
> From: slafaive at GMAIL.COM
> Subject: Re: yahoo
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> Poster: Scot LaFaive
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> I believe what Dennis was confused (or downright pissed) about was
> your use of "phoneme" when talking about "~or" because "~or" is not a
> phoneme at all but two distinct allophones. Essentially, phonemes are
> in your head and allophones are the actual production of phonemes in
> specific environments. I don't know of any other definitions for
> phoneme and allophone that phonologists use, so I'm not sure what you
> mean by "search engines give several definitions." I think I'll go
> with what phonologists mean by phoneme and allophone instead of Google
> and Yahoo.
>
> Scot
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> On Sat, Apr 5, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Tom Zurinskas  wrote:
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>> Search engines give several definitions. Pick one. So what's the problem?=
>> Can't you hear the differences I've pointed out? These boorish comments =
>> without any explanations seem like yahooism to me.Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20=
>> , TN3, NJ33, FL5+See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasion=
>> al Poems" at authorhouse.com.=20
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>>> Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 22:43:40 +0800> From: strangeguitars at GMAIL.COM> Sub=
>> ject: Re: yahoo> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>> ---------------------- Infor=
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>> ct Society > Poster: LanDi Liu > L.COM>> Subject: Re: yahoo> -----------------------------------------------=
>> -------------------------------->> Gold!>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 3:16 PM=
>> , Dennis R Preston  wrote:>>>>> Are you shitting us or =
>> do you really not know what a phoneme is?>>>> dInIs>>>> Tom Zurinskas w=
>> rites:>>> So of these eight, two are close to ~oor, the rest to something=
>> else,>> even though m-w.com give the notation for short oo (a letter u wi=
>> th a dot>> over it). One phoneme m-w.com doesn't have is the ~or phoneme (=
>> the sound>> of letter "o" in "or"). It's not a "long o" because the letter=
>> "r" changes>> it a bit.>>>>>> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, F=
>> L5+>>> See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems=
>> " at>> authorhouse.com.>>>> --> Randy Alexander> Jilin City, China>> --=
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