Heard on The Judges: sE > to BE

[Laurence Horn]

At 7:33 PM +0200 4/8/08, Dennis Preston wrote:
>Interesting when a specific nonstandard is felt to be required (as it
>often is from AAVE). Are there other regional nonstandards required
>in such phrases. (I guess I don't consider any cases of r-lessness as
>nonstandard so don't give me no Pahk yuh cah in Hahvahd Yahd stuff.
>
>dInIs

How bout "Y'all come back, ya hear?"
(vs. the less likely "(You) come back, do you hear?")

LH

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>>I always flinch when "You pays your money you takes your choice" isn't
>>"cherse"--it's not as though this is SAE we're talkin'!!!
>>-db
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>>On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
>>wrote:
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>>>  At 5:02 PM +0200 4/8/08, Dennis Preston wrote:
>>>  >Almost certainly the case, and recall that I continue to be
>>>  >interested in people providing me with even further examples of
>>>  >obligatory nonstandards.
>>>  >
>>>  >E.g.,
>>>  >
>>>  >What do you think of (or "How bout") them (never "those") apples.
>>>  >
>>>  >You the ("da") man (never "You are the man").
>>>  >
>>>  >/Si:It/ for metaphoric uses, but never for feces. (/SIt/ is OK for both
>>>  uses.)
>>>  >(/S/ =3D palatal sibilant)
>>>  >
>>>  >You can't go to "Dunking Donuts," even if you claim to never "drop your
>>>  g's."
>>>  >
>>>  >Are there any obligatory "ain'ts"? Others?
>>>  >
>>>  >dInIs
>>>
>>>  It don't (*doesn't) mean a thing if it ain't (*hasn't) got that swing.
>>>  It don't (*doesn't) make no (*any) never mind.
>>>  Dance with the one that brung (*brought) you
>>>  If it ain't broke (*If it's not broken), don't fix it.
>>>  S/he got (*has) game.
>>>  If momma ain't (*isn't) happy, ain't nobody (*nobody is) happy.
>>>  It ain't (*isn't) me, babe.
>>>  Long time no see.  (* ???)
>>>  No can (*Cannot) do.
>>>  Say it ain't (??it's not) so.
>>>  That ain't (?That's not) gonna (*going to) cut it.
>>>  Badges?  We don't need no (*any) stinkin (?stinking) badges.
>>>     [Sorry, Fred; I know it's a misquote.]
>>>  You pays (*pay) your money you takes (*take) your choice.
>>>  You ain't (??You're not) just whistling Dixie.
>>>  It ain't (??It's not) the meat, it's the motion.
>>>  That ain't (?*That's not) hay.
>>>  You done good.  (=82You did well.)
>>>  Yo mamma.  (=82Your mother.)
>>>
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>>>  (YMMV)
>>>  LH
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>>>  >>Some may recall that I once claimed that, regardless of a speaker's
>>>  >>usual register, he tends to move it toward the working-class norm,
>>>  >>when using slang or slang-like expressions.
>>>  >>
>>>  >>Middle-class, black, male speaker complaining about his cheating wife:
>>>  >>
>>>  >>She was unbelievable, your honor! She _wadn_ cool at at all. She would
>>>  >>call me at work to find out when I was coming home, so that she would
>>>  >>know how much time she had to do her _thing [TaeIN]_!"
>>>  >>
>>>  >>-Wilson
>>>  >>--
>>>  >>All say, "How hard it is that we have to die"---a strange complaint to
>>>  >>come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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