"open o" loss

[Charles Doyle]

I've never heard that here in Georgia. It MUST be the sophistication!

--Charlie
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---- Original message ----
>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 12:43:41 -0400
>From: David Bergdahl <dlbrgdhl at GMAIL.COM>
>
>What about the farmer/former reversal /Or/ : /ar/... or is Athens, GA too sophisticated for that?
>-db
>
>On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 9:54 AM, Laurence Horn <laurence.horn at yale.edu>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> At 9:43 AM -0400 4/24/08, Charles Doyle wrote:
>> >"Four" would ordinarily have /o/ or /ow/; "for" would have the open o. (The parallel distinction often mentioned in the textbooks is "hoarse" vs. "horse.")

>> >
>>
>> Yes, but for (*4) me the pun is extremely forced even though I merge
>> "horse" and "hoarse".  The preposition "for", unless it's
>> contrastively stressed ("Chris is FOR Obama, not aGAINST him"), has
>> an extremely bleached out schwaish vowel (if it's a vowel at all, as
>> opposed to a syllabic liquid), rather than the open- or closed-o of
>> "four".  It's hard for me to tell which vowel I have in the latter
>> (or in "horse" and "hoarse") because of the r-coloring.
>>
>> LH
>>
>> >
>> >---- Original message ----
>> >>Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 09:11:36 -0400
>> >>From: Herb Stahlke <hfwstahlke at GMAIL.COM>
>> >>
>> >>What vowels would the local dialect normally have?
>> >>
>> >>Herb
>> >>
>> >>On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Charles Doyle <cdoyle at uga.edu> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>   Disregarding the traditional dialect of the local area, the
>> >>>University of Georgia's gymnastics team is sporting the slogan
>> >>>"Back 4 more" as it enters the NCAA meet this weekend, hoping to
>> >>>win its fourth consecutive national championship.
>> >>>
>> >>>   (The pun--which was not at first obvious to me--merges "four" and
>> "for.")
>> >>>
>> >>>   --Charlie
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