Heard on the Olympics broadcast

Wilson Gray hwgray at GMAIL.COM
Mon Aug 11 01:18:02 UTC 2008


My vote goes to "a very high level of linguistic [and social]
naivete," such as that found among those who vote for "English Only"
with one hand while voting against using "our hard-earned taxes" to
fund TESOL with the other.

-Wilson

On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 4:17 PM,  <RonButters at aol.com> wrote:
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> Well, yeah, if one has never studied a major European language (other than
> Modern English) of the past or present, one may find surprising the concept that
> agreement-in-grammatical-gender overrides agreement-in-sex. But every high
> school student who has ever studied German knows that a girl is neuter in that
> language. And many a high-school boy has surely chuckled about the information
> that in Spanish his hand takes a feminine adjective (despite the -o ending)
> and that the pope is described with the feminine form of the adjective. Even
> English has long been described prescriptively as a language in which one should
> write of a generic high-school English teacher "the teacher ... he" even
> though most such persons were women.
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> The arbitrariness of the linguistic sign is one of the first things taugtht
> in Intro to Linguistics. Being horrified that Russian treats "chelovek" as
> masculine even if the person is a woman would require a very high level of
> linguistic naivete--or perhaps a very high level of slavophobia.
>
> In a message dated 8/10/08 3:57:19 PM, hwgray at GMAIL.COM writes:
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>> What might be useful is a return the study of other languages as
>> primarily an intellectual exercise. The fuller story is that only
>> those students at the Language School who had not had any previous
>> experience of a language with (true) grammatical gender had their
>> minds blown by the fact that, in Russian, if a nominal has grammatical
>> gender G, then all adjectives modifying that nominal must exhibit that
>> same feature, even when the nominal is a Predicate Nominative of
>> gender G referring to a Subject Nominative of gender H.
>>
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