NS > NTS (was: Re: "war" [wor])

[Tom Zurinskas]

> That reminds me: in the not-too-distance past, TZ argued that there is
>> no "t" sound in words like "since" and "prince."

Actually I would hold the opposite is the norm.  Prince ~prints, since ~sints, pronounce ~proennounts or ~prunnounts.


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> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:35:27 +0800
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> Subject: Re: NS> NTS (was: Re: "war" [wor])
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> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Benjamin Barrett  wrote:
>> That reminds me: in the not-too-distance past, TZ argued that there is
>> no "t" sound in words like "since" and "prince."
>>
>> My first phonetics professor held that there is a prestige dialect
>> that maintains the "ns" pronunciation, thus differentiating "prince"
>> from "prints" (a pursuit that TZ should be greatly interested in). I
>> recently found a great example, pronounced by the Netherlander pop
>> singer Roel van Velzen in "When Summer Ends." The song video can be
>> seen (and heard) at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWkBMbhAYPM. It
>> starts right off with his t-less pronunciation of "since".
>>
> It seems that the [t] or no [t] in since depends on when you stop the
> vocalization. If you say something like [sɪnzs] then there is
> definitely no [t]. It also may have to do with how dry your tongue is
> at the moment. It seems that I can say [sɪns] with a drier tongue,
> but if it is wetter, then it comes out [sɪnts].
>
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> Randy Alexander
> Jilin City, China
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