Constitutional issues

[Wilson Gray]

Then, just as I'd feared, The Bell Curve *is* correct! Well, I've
known it all along. I just didn't want to have to admit it. But, right
is right.

-Wilson
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All say, "How hard it is that we have to die"---a strange complaint to
come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
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-Mark Twain



On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 9:38 PM, Baker, John <JMB at stradley.com> wrote:
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> Subject:      Re: Constitutional issues
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>        The linguistic issue is the meaning of the constitutional
> clause:  "No Senator . . . shall, during the Time for which he was
> elected, be appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the
> United States, which . . . the Emoluments whereof shall have been
> encreased during such time."  If the emoluments (compensation) was
> increased, but then there is a rollback just for the Senator, were the
> emoluments "encreased"?  If so, then Hillary cannot accept the office of
> Secretary of State.  That's the position alleged by some, including the
> fellow I quoted.  On the other hand, I tend to think that there is not
> really an "encrease" if the compensation actually received by the
> Senator has not gone up, notwithstanding that there may have been an
> increase for others who hold that office.
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> John Baker
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> From: American Dialect Society [mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On Behalf
> Of Wilson Gray
> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:14 PM
> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Constitutional issues
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> Wherein lies the linguistic issue? Have I failed to comprehend something
> glaringly obvious to others? Well, perhaps The Bell Curve is correct,
> after all.
>
> -Wilson
>
> All say, "How hard it is that we have to die"---a strange complaint to
> come from the mouths of people who have had to live.
> -----
> -Mark Twain
>
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> On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Baker, John <JMB at stradley.com> wrote:
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>> Poster:       "Baker, John" <JMB at STRADLEY.COM>
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>>        Um, no.  I posted, but did not write, the quoted material,
>> which expresses views with which I do not agree.  I did so only for
>> the linguistic issue - should a Saxbe fix (in which the compensation
>> of the office of Secretary of State is rolled back, during the period
>> that Hillary Clinton holds that office, to the level that prevailed
>> when she became a Senator) be considered consistent with the meaning
>> of the Eligibility Clause?  That clause provides, "No Senator or
>> Representative shall, during the Time for which he was elected, be
>> appointed to any civil Office under the Authority of the United
>> States, which shall have been created, or the Emoluments whereof shall
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>> have been encreased during such time."  Both Democrats and Republicans
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>> have used the Saxbe fix in the past, and while it has current
>> implications for a Clinton appointment, I don't consider it to be an
> intrinsically partisan issue.
>>
>>
>> John Baker
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>> From: American Dialect Society [mailto:ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU] On
>> Behalf Of RonButters at AOL.COM
>> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 5:55 PM
>> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
>> Subject: Constitutional issues
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>> It seems pretty clear from this snip that the author (who tellingly
>> enough speaks of himself with the royal "we") is really just
>> interested in presenting a political rant to ADS-L disguised as some
>> kind of lingjuistic issue involving an eccentric and moot
>> interpretation of a tiny 18th century corner of the United States
>> Constitution. Will somebody in authority please tell him that he is
> out of order?
>>
>> Barak Obama, by the way, is a professor of Constutional Law at one of
>> the most respected (and relatively conservative) law schools in the
>> nation. I think he can probably figure out what the deal is on his
>> Secretary of State's salary, without help from a royalist.
>>
>> In a message dated 12/8/08 12:00:35 PM, JMB at STRADLEY.COM writes:
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>>> But it does make an
>>> interesting first test of how serious Barack Obama will be about
>>> taking the Constitution's actual words seriously. We know he thinks
>>> the Constitution should be viewed as authorizing judicial
>>> redistribution of wealth.
>>>
>>
>>
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