~Feenlend

[Paul Johnston]

Possibly.  That you get in a number of dialects in the US, as well as
conservative Scots/Northumbrian ones, which distinguish the present
participle [-^n/-n] from the gerund [-in].  This distinction  has
been traced to Appalachia, but I wasn't aware of other areas in the
US having it.

But in monosyllables--my Kalamazoo students might have a little bit
of raising (they raise /aeN/ sequences to /eN/, after all), but
nothing like [iN].  And as far as Tom's claim about the UK--Scots
alone, and only in certain words where the preceding consonant is
high, like velars--you can get "keeng, weeng" but not "seeng";
actually,I think it's pretty much of a lexically-conditioned rule
nowadays.  English dialects that have something like [i] + /N/
generally are the ones with pretty /i/-like realizations of pin etc.
anyway, as you might get in Birmingham.  But it's certainly not
General British.  Once again, Tom's ear lets him down.  And he's from
Connecticut too, and in the northeast, I hear NO allophonic differences.

Paul Johnston
On Feb 18, 2008, at 7:28 PM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote:

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> I *will* say that I've heard some people around here pronounce the
> *second* vowel in "singing" as "ee," though.
>  Could that possibly be what Tom is talking about?
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> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Paul Johnston wrote:
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>> Or most places in  the Northern US, where the same is true.
>> Feenlend?  Not in a million years, from an L1 speaker, anyhow.
>>
>> Paul Johnston
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>> On Feb 18, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Benjamin Lukoff wrote:
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>>> Interesting. I trust you've never been to Seattle, where almost
>>> everybody
>>> pronounces "sing" with the same vowel as in "sin."
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>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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>>>> Yes indeed.  "Sing,ping,wing" is pronounced ~seeng,~peeng,~weeng.
>>>> Not
>>>> the same vowel as in sin,pin,win ~sin,~pin,~win.  This is for UK as
>>>> well.  I hope folks realize this even though dictionaries don't.
>>>>
>>>> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>>>> See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional
>>>> Poems" at authorhouse.com.
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>>>>> Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:37:57 -0800
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>>>>> On Mon, 18 Feb 2008, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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>>>>>> One thing ~thheeng we were talking about is the sound of letter
>>>>>> "i" in
>>>>>> words like "sing, wing, thing".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know why, but linguists ~leengwists express this sound
>>>>>> as short
>>>>>> i when its really spoken as long e ~ee in English. My theory is
>>>>>> that
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>>>>> Are you trying to say that "sing" is pronounced, in English, as
>>>>> if it were
>>>>> spelled "seeng"?
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