the spread of adjective-licensed "of"

[Wilson Gray]

Just heard on Judge Greg:

Defendant:

"He can't be _too honest of a person_, your honor, if he was two years
into his marriage before he told his wife he was bisexual."

Judge (to plaintiff):

"Aw, naw! You on the down low and didn't let your woman know till
after you was married to her for two years?! You CAN'T be too honest!"

-Wilson

On Jan 22, 2008 9:23 AM, Jonathan Lighter <wuxxmupp2000 at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> That has always been my understanding as well, but I believe I merely assimilated it.  It seems too subtle a point [sic] to have been covered in our public grammar [sic] school.
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>   As one who has squandered many hours reading the popular literature of the past, I can only repeat that the "intrusive 'of ' " is not something that has ever leaped off the page at me from such sources.  The construction struck me so forcibly when I first noticed it in speech, that had I noticed it again in print over at least twenty and, it now seems, probably thirty-five years, I would have remembered it.  And I don't.  That's not to say it doesn't exist in older print, simply that, like positive "anymore," it was very uncommon on the printed page.
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>   The point being [sic] that the phenomenon may well have started regionally. It may have been so unpublicized in usage manuals and unfamiliar to copy editors in the Northeast that they changed it whenever they caught it.
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>   JL
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> James Harbeck <jharbeck at SYMPATICO.CA> wrote:
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> >Both "of recent" and "how big of a" sound completely normal to me. I
> >have heard both all my life & thought nothing odd about either one.
> >Indeed, I have always assumed that "how big a" was just a shortened
> >form of the FULL form with "of." Cf. the "to" in "help him (to)."
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> That's very interesting to me. I definitely learned that if you say
> "an X Y," you say "how X a Y," and only say "how X of a Y" when X is
> a word like "much." I'm not sure whether it's a case of raising the
> adjective or moving the NP to the end, but there was no question for
> me that it wasn't a dropping of the "of" (which still sounds
> "uneducated" to me); it's like "how sweet the sound," which I just
> can't imagine being shortened from "how sweet of the sound."
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> >I can't believe that actual research (as opposed to the mere
> >reporting of transient impressions) will reveal anything odd or NEW
> >here. Of course, since I am merely reporting my own transient
> >impressions, maybe I am dead wrong. But isn't the burden of proof on
> >those who are made the original claims?
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> I doubt it's new, either, but now I'm really wondering about the
> history and the underlying structure -- or structures, since clearly
> it's not the same for all speakers.
>
> James Harbeck.
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