Re: [ADS-L] Who's d iddling and how?

Tue Jul 15 17:56:22 UTC 2008

Good God! And I was taught that all that would happen was that I would go 
blind!

In a message dated 7/15/08 1:04:49 PM, gogaku at IX.NETCOM.COM writes:

> It appears inconclusive to me (three other versions below). There is
> commentary on the Web saying that the RCC's prohibition on
> masturbation derives from this.  BB
> 
> -----
> New International Version: 8 Then Judah said to Onan, "Lie with your
> brother's wife and fulfill your duty to her as a brother-in-law to
> produce offspring for your brother." 9 But Onan knew that the
> offspring would not be his; so whenever he lay with his brother's
> wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from producing
> offspring for his brother. 10 What he did was wicked in the LORD's
> sight; so he put him to death also.
> -----
> Contemporary English Version: 8So Judah told Onan, "It's your duty to
> marry Tamar and have a child for your brother." [a] 9Onan knew the
> child would not be his,[b] and when he had sex with Tamar, he made
> sure that she would not get pregnant. 10The LORD wasn't pleased with
> Onan and took his life too.
> -----
> New International Reader's Version: 8 Then Judah said to Onan, "Make
> love to your brother's wife. After all, you are her brother-in-law. So
> carry out your duty to her. Produce children for your brother."
>   9 But Onan knew that the children wouldn't belong to him. So every
> time he made love to his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the
> ground. He did it so he wouldn't produce children for his brother.
> 
> 10 What he did was evil in the Lord's eyes. So the Lord put him to
> death also.
> 
> 
> On Jul 15, 2008, at 9:48 AM, Wilson Gray wrote:
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> > Poster:       Wilson Gray <hwgray at GMAIL.COM>
> > Subject:      Re: Who's diddling and how?
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> >
> > Yes, there is. There's no need to assume, on the basis of what the
> > Bible clumsily describes, that he jacked off. There's no exposition of
> > the method that Onan used to accomplish the spilling of his seed _upon
> > the ground_ , note: *not* _upon the earth_. He may very well have
> > simply pulled out, given that the Bible specifically states that the
> > spilling didn't take place until *after* Onan had "gone unto" his
> > brother's wife. Or maybe he used a lambskin and then tossed it. What?
> > Like, his brother's wife lay there and watched, as he stroked one off?
> >
> > It ain't necessarily so.
> >
> > -Wilson
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net>
> > wrote:
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> >> Poster:       "Joel S. Berson" <Berson at ATT.NET>
> >> Subject:      Re: Who's diddling and how?
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> >> I received Ben's message after I'd sent mine.  No more need to answer
> >> my question.
> >>
> >> Joel
> >>
> >> At 7/15/2008 11:50 AM, Benjamin Barrett wrote:
> >>> Genesis 38:8-9 (KJV;
> >>> http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=genesis%2038:8-38:10;&
> version=9;)
> >>>
> >>> And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry
> >>> her, and raise up seed to thy brother.
> >>>
> >>> And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass,
> >>> when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the
> >>> ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
> >>>
> >>> BB
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:38 AM, Wilson Gray wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Benjamin Barrett supplies the quotation:
> >>>>
> >>>> "_He diddled on the ground_ and, at long last, looked up and
> >>>> said: let
> >>>> him who has not sinned be the first to cast the first stone at the
> >>>> sinner."
> >>>>
> >>>> Whoa! My initial interpretation was that he lay down on the
> >>>> ground and
> >>>> then fucked it [i.e, the ground, the soil, the dirt, the very
> >>>> earth]!
> >>>> That's a heavy picture to put into someone's mind. I was wondering
> >>>> whether there was grass or weeds, bare earth, sand, whether he had
> >>>> skinned his dork (in the skinned-knee sense, not the skinned-back
> >>>> sense), etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Wilson
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Benjamin Barrett <gogaku at ix.netcom.com
> >>>>> wrote:
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> >>>>> Poster:       Benjamin Barrett <gogaku at IX.NETCOM.COM>
> >>>>> Subject:      Who's diddling and how?
> >>>>> 
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> Just as a forewarning, there are some pretty X-rated citations
> >>>>> below.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The AHD4's definitions of diddle include:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. to jerk up and down or back and forth
> >>>>> 2. vulgar slang
> >>>>> a. to have intercourse with (a woman)
> >>>>> b. to practice masturbation upon
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My concern is  the relevance of "(a woman)". Generally, I take
> >>>>> this
> >>>>> sort of definition to be a remnant of older heterocentrist
> >>>>> definitions
> >>>>> and intended to mean "to play the active part in sexual
> >>>>> intercourse",
> >>>>> but it seems that not even that is adequate:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----
> >>>>> The Ball of Kirriemuir
> >>>>> (http://www.turoks.net/Bordello/TheBallOfKirriemuir.htm
> >>>>>>> ) provides 17 examples of diddle:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. The village glazier he was there, with his prick of glass
> >>>>> He diddled 'em in their cunnys, and also in the ass!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. the ladies wouldna have 'em, so they diddled dogs and trees!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2. The old fishmonger he was there, a dirty stinkin sod
> >>>>> He never got a rise that night, so he diddled 'em with a cod!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3. Clan MacChluarain they were there, chasin' round the Keep
> >>>>> And every single man of them buggerin' a sheep!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (insert name) had a gerbil, he diddled it very well
> >>>>> He didn't wrap it in duct tape: he blew it all to hell!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 4. (Insert name), she was there, and she is past eighteen;
> >>>>> She is a rapier fighter, so she diddled Florentine!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 5. Jack Sprat could eat no fat, his wife could eat no lean,
> >>>>> So she did the Fubba-Wubbas, while he diddled a Marine...!
> >>>>> -----
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I think this covers just about every male/female/animal pairing
> >>>>> possibility, demonstrating that diddle is not limited to just a
> >>>>> man
> >>>>> having intercourse with a woman. And Wiktionary agrees, saying "to
> >>>>> have sex with".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----
> >>>>> Also, in Letters to Penthouse X (http://tinyurl.com/6feo6h, page
> >>>>> 131,
> >>>>>>> 2000), there's "cockhead...as she diddled her clit with it."
> >>>>>>> While
> >>>>> this appears more related to definition 1 than 2, there are
> >>>>> these as
> >>>>> well, which hint to the development of definitions 2 from 1:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 6. She diddled herself [with a baster].
> >>>>> (The Sperm in Amy Lowe's Frig, by Roberta Price,
> >>>>> http://www.prisoners.com/amysperm.html)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 7. As she diddled herself with a candle,
> >>>>> (Street of the thousand assholes,
> >>>>> http://www.odps.org/glossword/index.php?a=term&d=5&t=143)
> >>>>> ------
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have trouble understanding what definition 2b actually means.
> >>>>> Does
> >>>>> this mean to masturbate and ejaculate on someone? Do you "diddle
> >>>>> on/
> >>>>> upon" someone? I think this is what Danny Glover's character did
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> _The Color Purple_ instead of sex, though Whoopi Goldberg's
> >>>>> character
> >>>>> called it "his business".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Wiktionary says "to masturbate (especially of women)".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Google has only a few hits for "he diddled on". Of the three
> >>>>> citations
> >>>>> that seem relevant, only one is available:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. He diddled on the ground and, at long last, looked up and said:
> >>>>> let
> >>>>> him who has not sinned be the first to cast the first stone at the
> >>>>> sinner.
> >>>>> I assume he's talking about Onan here, though in the text, Jesus
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> the antecedent of "he". (What Should be Africans Attitude to
> >>>>> Americans
> >>>>> War on Terror by Ozodi Thomas Osuji, 19 Oct 2006 
> http://tinyurl.com/5jxlbq)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Okay, no more diddling around. Back to work!
> >>>>> BB
> >>>>>
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