"saditty" (snobbish) from "Saturday"?

[Tom Zurinskas]

I hear ~sadidee for "saturday" quite a bit.  I don't think anybody says the "t" (in "sat...") but rather swaps it for "d".  I don't know how prevelant the ~ee for "ay" swap is.

I talked to a leading dictionary writer about expressing the "d" for "t" swap (as in "butter" ~buder) as well as the glottal stop for many ending "t"s (expressing "that" as ~tha') in his pronunciation guide if only as an alternative pronunciation.  He said "people would not like it."  I've done it however in my dictionary, truespel book 3.  Don't know of any others that have done it.  I think many are primary not secondary pronunciations.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at authorhouse.com.

> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:36:18 -0500
> From: gcohen at MST.EDU
> Subject: "saditty" (snobbish) from "Saturday"?
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> Barry Popik once sent me a photocopy of a page from the NY Amsterdam News (Nov. 23, 1935, p. 13); it was in connection with "The Big Apple", but I also noticed "Satiddy", which I assume is "Saturday." The left column was cut off slightly, and so the context is: "1-0-1 Club packing to Notre Dame-[left column] to S.R.O. Satiddy nite gone."
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> This "Satiddy" is so close (at least in spelling) to "saditty" that I'm tempted to revisit "saditty" with "Saturday" in mind. The original context would have something to do with getting all dressed up for going out on Saturday night.
> Maybe a woman who was always dressed to the nines might have been described by her less-well-dressed up acquaintances as looking "like a Satiddy (saditty) ho." Or something along this line.
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> As for the pronunciation, suh-DITT-eh, perhaps this is merely an altered form. Southern speech often stresses the first syllable (e.g., PO-lice, IN-surance), whereas Northern speech stresses the second one (po-LEESE, in-SUR-ance). So maybe an original "SAT-iddy" (> SAD-itty) was transformed on Northern soil to sa-DITT-ee.
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> My main question now: Is there any evidence of "saditty" (snobbish) being pronounced with initial stress anywhere in the U.S.?
>
> Gerald Cohen
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> Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 14:14:23 -0500
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> Subject: Re: siditty, saditty (1963), siddity (1965)
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> suh-DIT-eh
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>>>No, it sounded clearly like "saditty", and the
>> closed-captioning agreed.
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>> With what stress? If it's antepenult, I certainly can't
>> detect any huge difference in how "SADitty" and "SADurday"
>> would sound, especially with a non-rhotic pronunciation of
>> the latter. But if it's stressed in another way, there's no
>> possibility of confusion, even without the support of the
>> closed-captioning.
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>> Larry
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>>>> Could this be simply 'Saturday Whore'?
>>>>
>>>> --- "Mullins, Bill" wrote:
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>>>>> I mentioned last week that I saw the movie "Barbershop 2", in
>>>> which> Eddie calls his ex-girlfriend a "saditty ho". My wife's
>>>> reaction was> that "saditty" meant "sadistic", which would have
>>>> been appropriate> under the circumstances.
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