"another thing coming"

Sun Jun 1 02:40:55 UTC 2008

My accent bio data is below.  I'm all American 3rd generation but speak a few phrases of Lithuanian.  I'll send a talking file on "ing/ink and ang/ank".  Hope it comes through as qlippits for me don't seem to be working well anymore.  Anyone else having trouble with qlippits?

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at authorhouse.com.

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> Wrong. MW's "thing" is more like "sin," not "seen." I also checked
> the American Heritage Dictionary on line and that has the same
> pattern. Also, both dictionaries in their pronunciation guides show
> the lax vowel in "sin" and "thing" and the tense vowel in "seen," and
> their sound files match this. I can only guess that you're hearing
> them wrong. Are you perhaps a native speaker of Lithuanian, not of
> English? That could influence your perception of this contrast.
>
> Herb
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> On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 8:15 AM, Tom Zurinskas  wrote:
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>> Yep. The same vowel (long e) is in "seen" and "thing". Say "seen, sin, sink" a few times, or play them on m-w.com. Which vowel sounds different. Basically, "seen" and "sink" are close, and "sin" is the different one. "Sin" has the short i, and the others the long e as spoken even though the notation in m-w.com shows short i. Give us some voice files of how you say it.
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>> Ricky Ricardo said "thin" for "thing". He dropped the g. It's difficult for me also to say the "g" after saying "thin", but not after saying long e ~ee. So maybe over time the short i changed to long e to make it easier to say. This is happening to a lot of words. For instance "will" for "we'll", which is going the opposite direction, short i replacing long e.
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>> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>> See truespel.com - and the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at authorhouse.com.
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>>> Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 21:33:15 -0400
>>> From: hfwstahlke at GMAIL.COM
>>> Subject: Re: "another thing coming"
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>>> If you are actually asserting that the vowels of "thing" and "seen"
>>> are the same and that this is the general US pronunciation, one of
>>> your statements is factually wrong.
>>>
>>> Herb
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>>> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Tom Zurinskas  wrote:
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>>>> It's ~nuthhin but it's ~thheeng as pronounced in US as spelled in truespel.=
>>>> Where ~thh is the unvoiced "th". Ricky Ricardo is being mislead by prese=
>>>> nt phonetics into thinking that the "i" in "thing" is short. It's really ~=
>>>> ee (long e).Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+See truespel.com - an=
>>>> d the 4 truespel books plus "Occasional Poems" at authorhouse.com.> Date: =
>>>> Wed, 28 May 2008 15:36:37 -0400> From: laurence.horn at YALE.EDU> Subject: Re:=
>>>> "another thing coming"> To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>> --------------------=
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>>>> an Dialect Society > Poster: Laurence Horn >>> e.horn at YALE.EDU>> Subject: Re: "another thing coming"> --------------------=
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------->> At 11:03 AM =
>>>> -0700 5/28/08, Brenda Lester wrote:>>FWIW: Remember Ricky Ricardo (Desi=3D=
>>>> 20>>Arnez) (I LOVE LUCY) used to say=3D20>>"thin" for thing?&n=
>>>> bsp; We southerners say=3D20>>"nothin'.">>>>bl>>>>>>> Bu=
>>>> t when? Do you say "That's another thin"? For=3D20> me (admittedly a non-so=
>>>> utherner), there's a big=3D20> difference between "nothing" (which can be=
>>>> =3D20> [n^TIn] or [n^?n]) and "(another) thing" (which=3D20> can never be [=
>>>> TIn], only [TIN]). ("Another thin"=3D20> can only be a request for a mint o=
>>>> r some such.)> Is it different for (some) southerners?=3D20> (Non-native sp=
>>>> eakers like Desi are another=3D20> thin(g) completely.)>> LH>>>>>--- O=
>>>> n Wed, 5/28/08, LanDi Liu  wrote:>>>>From=
>>>> : LanDi Liu >>Subject: Re: "another thing =
>>>> coming">>To: ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>>Date: Wednesday, May 28, 2008, 1:14 =
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>>>> -----------------------------=3D> ---->>>>FWIW, I have heard some young s=
>>>> peakers from Utah pronounce "ng" as>>[=3DA9=3DD8g] (or [=3DA9=3DD8g?], and=
>>>> they were even aware of it and took it to be>>"correct".>>>>Randy>>>>=
>>>> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 1:18 AM, Mark Mandel  wrote=
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>>>> e, May 27, 2008 at 12:39 PM,  wrote:>>>> I d=
>>>> id what you said, and understand what you meant. However, when=3D> I>>say>=
>>>>>>> "think coming" and "thing coming", they always>>sound different=
>>>> to me. I can>>>> imagine perhaps once hearing "thing coming" and th=
>>>> inking>>I'm hearing "think>>>> coming," but not repeatedly thru'out=
>>>> my entire life.>>It's a common>>>> expression around here, and was=
>>>> even more so while I was growing u=3D> p.>>I'm>>>> positive that w=
>>>> hat people around me have always said is,>>"You've got another>>>> =
>>>> think coming." Things may have been different in 1919; or (which>>I think =
>>>> is>>>> more likely) the newspaper may have gotten it wrong.>>>> =
>>>>>> I agree, they are distinguishable. I slipped up and didn't say for yo=
>>>> u>>> in layman's language what I said to Larry in technical terms. In> =
>>>>>> "think coming" the first syllable is shorter, and there's a>>longer>=
>>>>>> period of silence or near-silence before the beginning of the vowel =
>>>> in>>> "com-". But the distinction is fairly subtle and may get lost in>=
>>>>>> hurried speech or noisy environments or other less-than-ideal>>>=
>>>> conditions, with the result that the grammatically unusual "another>>>=
>>>> think coming" is heard as the grammatically ordinary "another>>thing>>&g=
>>>> t; coming". That is presumably how the "thing coming" version>>got>>> =
>>>> started: with the speaker meaning and saying "think coming", and>>the>>&g=
>>>> t; hearer hearing it as "thing coming".>>>>>> Regards,>>> m a m=
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