"loblolly pine"

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on 9/3/08 2:00 PM, Mark Mandel at thnidu at GMAIL.COM wrote:

> Def. 2 could be the link.
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> On 9/3/08, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
>> At 9/2/2008 11:32 PM, Wilson Gray wrote:
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>>> I know a word, "loblolly," but I can't see how it could connect to
>>> "loblolly pine.' What does your word, "loblolly," mean?
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>> Several things:
>> 1. a. Thick gruel or spoon-meat, freq. referred
>> to as a rustic or nautical dish or simple
>> medicinal remedy; burgoo. {dag}Hence, a ship-doctor's medicines.  [from
>> 1597]
>> b. U.S. colloq. A mud-hole.  [from 1865]
>> 2. A bumpkin, rustic, boor.  [from 1604]
>> 3. = loblolly pine.  [from 1819]
>> 4. attrib. and Comb., as ... loblolly pine, the
>> tree Pinus Tæda, growing in swamps in the southern United States; [1760]
>>
>> Joel
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>>> -Wilson
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>>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Joel S. Berson <Berson at att.net> wrote:
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>>>> How did "loblolly pine" arise fom "loblolly"?
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>>>> Joel
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> Mark Mandel
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Since pines usually (?) prefer sandy, drier soils, I'd be inclined to
associate the loblolly name to the mudhole, if there were any evidence that
the mudhole meaning had been around earlier.
AM

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