An African American proverb (?)

[Tom Zurinskas]

Agreed.  "put it" in running speech basically rhymes with "would it" in USA accent.  In truespel ~pood it~/~wood it~ or ~poo di'~/~wood i'~ if the "t" is glottalized, which I think it usually is in USA speech.  Not so much in UK.

In standard BBC text spelling - /puut it/ versus /wuud it/.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/commissioning/delivery/spelling.pdf

Truespel book 3 VOA dictionary recognizes these two "t" features (~d flap and glottalization) as alternative pronunciations of letter "t".  As far as I know, no other dictionary does so, and they should.



Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
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> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:12:13 -0400
> From: hwgray at GMAIL.COM
> Subject: Re: An African American proverb (?)
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> Poster: Wilson Gray
> Subject: Re: An African American proverb (?)
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> "Allotted"> " 'lotted"> "lot" [lot:] ( is certainly a plausible
> analysis, given current ordinary pronunciations such as [pUt:] < "put
> it," [set:]> "set it." As for the final "get it," cf., e.g.
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> a) Put it [pUt:] on the table
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> but
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> b) I told you where to put it [pUR.It]
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> The /t/ of _put_ in (b) is a flap, usually, but I've forgotten WTF the
> symbol is! So, I'm using R for it.
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> -Wilson
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> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:33 AM, Charles Doyle wrote:
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>> Several scholars have identified as a proverb the expression "What God got lot out for a man he'll get it."
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>> As found in the typescript of reminiscences by an ex-slave for the WPA Writers' Project of the late 1930s, the saying certainly looks as if it was being used proverbially. And the sense is (almost) clear; one scholar has paraphrased it, "If it's for you, you’ll get it."
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>> But what is the grammar of the sentence? Following the auxiliary "got," is that (apparent) verb "lot" a rare participle of "lay"--or what the transcriber actually heard for "laid"? Or is it a contraction of "allotted" or some other verb based on "lot" in the sense of 'destiny'?
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>> We should remember, of course, that the transcribers employed for the project were not necessarily well trained for the task--and they were also capable of typos!
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>> Any opinions (or guesses) will be welcome.
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>> --Charlie
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