I'd've

Wed Aug 5 00:11:00 UTC 2009

The one that throws me is the double apostrophe of I'd've.  Can't say I've seen that one in print before, but maybe I wasn't looking so hard.

John Wayne said something like "I'd'a" or "I'd of" but the guotes I see printed of his Oscar speech have "I'd have".

If "I'd've" or "I'd'a" or "I'd of" represents true pronunciation spelling then it's fine by me.

Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
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> Why is everyone acting as though he's never seen _I'd of_ , etc., in print?
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> -Wilson
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> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Herb Stahlke wrote:
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>> Since "I'd've" and "I'd'a", which is also my usage, is primarily a
>> feature of spoken English and spoken English represents only ten
>> percent of the BNC, comparing its frequency to that of "abided," which
>> is more common in written English, may not give useful results.
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>> Herb
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>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
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>>> Thanks for that. If I'd've knownn I could've been counting google hits, I'd've done it a long time ago. Actually I'm an EYE-duh sayer myself.
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>>> I wouldn't say "I'd've" is widely used though. It's rarer than "abided" which has 6 hits out of a database of 100M words in the British national corpus.
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>>> Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>>> see truespel.com
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>>>> At 8:06 AM +0000 8/3/09, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
>>>>>What's a "raw g-hit"?
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>>>> Google hits, the number reported by google in the upper right corner,
>>>> without inspection for overlaps and repetitions.
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>>>>>How does one evaluate it? Is 137,000 raw g-hits a lot?
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>>>> It's significantly more than zero. Hits on the first several pages
>>>> all seem genuine, and distinct. This indicates that the contraction
>>>> is question is widely used, especially since each search is conducted
>>>> on a separate variant.
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>>>>>One of the lowest frequency words in the British National Corpus of
>>>>>100M hits is "abided" with only 6 hits according to
>>>>>ftp://ftp.itri.bton.ac.uk/bnc/all.num.o5 How many raw g-hits does
>>>>>"abided" get?
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>>>> 435,000. You can discover this on your own by clicking on
>>>> "www.google.com" and putting in [abided], without the brackets.
>>>>
>>>> LH
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>>>>>Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>>>>>see truespel.com
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>>>>>> At 2:35 AM +0000 7/31/09, Tom Zurinskas wrote:
>>>>>>>See "I'd've" below. I haven't seen a double apostrophe before.
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>>>>>> Sheltered life! I've seen many, in particular involving variants of
>>>>>> this one ("she'd've", "they'd've", etc.). There are 137,000 raw
>>>>>> g-hits for "I'd've".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> LH
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have taught a lot of subjects and activities over the years and in
>>>>>>>each case had a level of expertise higher than my students. I knew
>>>>>>>the subject or sport, was more experienced in it, was able to model
>>>>>>>and participate on a level higher than the students. I'd be able to
>>>>>>>win a game (Well, I'd've won a few years back. Now I get awfully
>>>>>>>tired.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Tom Zurinskas, USA - CT20, TN3, NJ33, FL5+
>>>>>>>see truespel.com
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