Fw: [ADS-L] "slurring"?

[ronbutters at AOL.COM]

Allegro speech is not "careless" nor is it "slurred". It follows rules that vary from dialect to dialect. Speech in which no allegro rules are followed is not "careful," it is unusual, and sounds stilted.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Palmer <w_a_palmer at BELLSOUTH.NET>

Date:         Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:20:06
To: <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
Subject:      Re: [ADS-L] Fw: [ADS-L] "slurring"?


I hasten to classify myself as an "amateur", but one with a better than
average knowledge of language.

In my foreign language studies some (many) years ago, I recall phonetic
realizations varying according to speed and carefulness of articulation...a
phrase pronounced one way under conditions of careful speech, and maybe
another way with careless and/or rapid speech.

I will concede that this may be no longer precise or scientific enough.

However, I believe you understand the concept of what we are saying here, so
can you provide a more current or linguistically acceptable term?

Bill Palmer


----- Original Message -----
From: <ronbutters at AOL.COM>
To: <ADS-L at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 11:11 AM
Subject: Fw: [ADS-L] "slurring"?


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> But "careless speech" is not a term that has any scientific basis or use.
> It explains nothing whatever.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Palmer <w_a_palmer at BELLSOUTH.NET>
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> Date:         Sun, 22 Feb 2009 10:44:25
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> Subject:      Re: [ADS-L] "slurring"?
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> Altho I wasn't the first to use the term in this particular thread, let me
> substitute "careless speech"
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> Bill Palmer
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>> What do y'all mean by "slurring"? It refers informally to the speech of
>> the brain-damaged and drunks -- which is not a significant cause of
>> linguistic change.
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>> From: Bill Palmer
>> Sender: ADS-L
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>> Subject: Re: [ADS-L] ADS-L Digest - 20 Feb 2009 to 21 Feb 2009 (#2009-53)
>> Sent: Feb 22, 2009 7:43 AM
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>> I do not doubt that it could have originated as a non-rhotic form of
>> "weren't", but it is now too widespread to be simply a result of
>> slurring,
>> IMHO.
>>
>> Bill P
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>> From: "Your Name" <ROSESKES at AOL.COM>
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>> Subject: Re: ADS-L Digest - 20 Feb 2009 to 21 Feb 2009 (#2009-53)
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>>> In a message dated 2/22/2009 12:00:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>>> LISTSERV at LISTSERV.UGA.EDU writes:
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>>>
>>>>In North Carolina, where I live, and particularly in the eastern  part,
>>>>there
>>>>is a tendency to use "won't" to mean "was not" or "were  not".
>>>>Ex: Q: "Who ate that last piece of pie?"
>>>>     A: "It won't me".
>>>>
>>>>Does this practice exist  anywhere else? I have lived in and travelled
>>>>thru
>>>>much of the South,  and don't recall hearing it anywhere else.
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like a slurring between "it wasn't me" and "it weren't me," both
>>> of
>>> which I've heard.  Possible?
>>>
>>> Rosemarie
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